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08-02-2017 , 11:32 PM
The Los Angles Dodgers have a phenomenal record over the last 50 days. They now lead all of baseball with 75 wins for the season. It's a miracle.
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08-03-2017 , 12:23 AM
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What odds would you put on being wrong on your take on all this? Just curious.


Angela Merkel is a quantum physicist - she has a PhD in it. She's possibly more credentialed than you. She worked as a quantum chemist. Leaving her merits aside, I'm not sure scientists make good statesmen.
She doesnt have a PhD in Physics but Quantum Chemistry. That doesnt make her a Theoretical or Quantum Physicist. She definitely didnt enter and finish her university class with the top score in the country.

I would bet you thousands of $ i know more math and physics than her. There is just something wrong with deciding to join a political party and leave science to unpack computer boxes as a low ranked member of a group. Something was not very motivating i guess.

You also didnt realize what i said. I didnt say physicists make great statesmen or stateswomen. I said Obama was missing being a physicist. That is the extra that would make him much stronger given all else.

It was meant as a criticism to you talking down on professors in general. I am sure Feynman would be a great leader in a society with brilliant ideas for example. Certain types of Physicists would indeed make great leaders.

As for Merkel moreover i dont like her she has been good for Germany likely a great deal more than any recent US president has been for US. And in comparative terms Germany probably has been rising relative to US in a variety of metrics.

Trump is a liar loser with moronic inability to control his emotions. He has managed to convince you all he is such a great dealer when the only thing he has dealt all his life is bs from a privileged position. He made all his money exploiting bankruptcy mechanics and collusion synergies, endless self promotion and the simplistic thinking of many people. That doesnt make him brilliant. It however makes him a mfer.
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08-03-2017 , 12:58 AM
Being great in one or many intellectual domains doesn't translate into being great (or even above par) in other domains. It certainly doesn't translate into an ability to understand why Hayek was a silly person, and it doesn't even seem to protect against religiosity.
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08-03-2017 , 01:18 AM
Unless the domain in the nature itself and its language and that person is also well educated overall in many cultural issues supplied with essential classical components at youth. And the other domain is something that deals with the quality of life of people and the focus on their most important problems of their times. Sometimes what a society needs is a direction and motivation by a person of authority that can be respected for their intentions and character and ability to unite people under better priorities that actually help the people because of their more rational design and capacity for empathy. We have a deeply divided world that definitely doesnt make sense to someone that understands how it all can improve with a little more focus on our common problems and more open minded positions in discussion. Science definitely focuses on the search for the truth not the individual personal victory over others. The losers we have consider it a deficit to be able to accept they are wrong or change their minds. They see it as weakness when in science its a virtue in search for a better outcome.

Pragmatic, rational, scientifically founded optimism is what is missing from most politicians. I would say that math and physics build definitely character. They not only provide problem solving skills that help imagine more options in things but also provide optimism and healthy not self defeating style humility. They also build a never giving up mentality when difficult problems arise.

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08-03-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Unless the domain in the nature itself..
Yeah, it isn't. Completely unrelated in content, style, technique, heuristics, thought-style, coordination, emotionality and facial hair.

I know some horrible people who are fairly famous mathematicians.

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08-03-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Yeah, it isn't. Completely unrelated in content, style, technique, heuristics, thought-style, coordination, emotionality and facial hair.

I know some horrible people who are fairly famous mathematicians.
Read again the sentence you didn't understand. (eg and the other domain...)


Its not a problem for a physicist to change their mind and it is a big mfing problem for these losers that keep score endlessly immersed in self mfing promotion. In fact i am constantly checking myself for mistakes. I am not even talking about famous mathematician like you did because most of them have brains that are occasionally a little off in other areas as evidenced by irrational behavior in simple matters. You didnt have that often in people like Feynman though.
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08-03-2017 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Read again the sentence you didn't understand. (eg and the other domain...)
I'll reread tomorrow. Remind me if I don't.

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Its not a problem for a physicist to change their mind
It is a huge problem. Only surmountable by the passage of time and retirement.

And, science is as good as it gets.
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08-03-2017 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I'll reread tomorrow. Remind me if I don't.



It is a huge problem. Only surmountable by the passage of time and retirement.

And, science is as good as it gets.
No it isnt. If the truth can be shown there is no point in rejecting it. A better theory in science is embraced a lot faster than the rest of society. Merit is awarded instantly in relative terms to eg politics on great ideas.

The adaptation to a better foundation of facts is a lot easier when you are a scientist that doesn't have superficial education and childish insecurities.

The problem is that many imagine some monolithic savant idiot for the kind of physicist i suggest here. You could have a very rational discussion with Einstein about almost anything.

Also science is as good as the current version surely but that is way better than any other system, of beliefs. It constantly cares to improve unlike those that care only for their team winning.
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08-03-2017 , 11:17 AM
I see the credentials thing was a sore spot.
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08-03-2017 , 11:58 AM
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The problem is that many imagine some monolithic savant idiot for the kind of physicist i suggest here. You could have a very rational discussion with Einstein about almost anything.
The physicists of the 70s and before were truly remarkable people. Capable, likeable, full of common sense, fairly well rounded. I think it's because physics was respected, European values were largely in play (and many were European immigrants), and physics was the true cutting edge and the source of the power of nations, so it attracted the best. And we were in a different age - less easy money.

Physics now seem to attract weedy nerds, at least in the US. I've been to Stanford physics lectures a few times and it's like being carpet bombed with fugly. It was a shock walking in, I almost walked back and check the sign to see if it wasn't a conference on cures for genetic disorders. Even worse, I had my very hot girlfriend with me, who like most classy European women gets moist at meeting non-deformed physics grads.

So I'm not all that taken with your comparison with the giants of old. They simply don't exist any more. The premier famous scientist of today is a cabbage who says stupid things about the environment. Not a functioning brain cell there. Maybe narrow savantism/training/focus in math.
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Also science is as good as the current version surely but that is way better than any other system, of beliefs. It constantly cares to improve unlike those that care only for their team winning.
Marxism cared to constantly improve too, always improving the lot of the worker. Using science no less.

The greatest system in the world today is the free market. It makes scientists look like impotent clowns. A scientific society that you fantasize about would be a dystopia, soon invaded by countries more intelligent.
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08-03-2017 , 02:42 PM
I'm a Happy Boy today:

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08-03-2017 , 02:45 PM
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When do you think Trum' starts the war?

Just thinkin' and askin'

The sooner the better.





Don't click on the video if you are offended by free speech

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08-03-2017 , 02:57 PM
Atomic?

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08-03-2017 , 04:21 PM
The round-about is the sly synergy of Eastern and Western Philosophys attempting to lead humanity to a greater existence!?
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08-03-2017 , 04:48 PM
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The physicists of the 70s and before were truly remarkable people. Capable, likeable, full of common sense, fairly well rounded. I think it's because physics was respected, European values were largely in play (and many were European immigrants), and physics was the true cutting edge and the source of the power of nations, so it attracted the best. And we were in a different age - less easy money.

Physics now seem to attract weedy nerds, at least in the US. I've been to Stanford physics lectures a few times and it's like being carpet bombed with fugly. It was a shock walking in, I almost walked back and check the sign to see if it wasn't a conference on cures for genetic disorders. Even worse, I had my very hot girlfriend with me, who like most classy European women gets moist at meeting non-deformed physics grads.

So I'm not all that taken with your comparison with the giants of old. They simply don't exist any more. The premier famous scientist of today is a cabbage who says stupid things about the environment. Not a functioning brain cell there. Maybe narrow savantism/training/focus in math.

Marxism cared to constantly improve too, always improving the lot of the worker. Using science no less.

The greatest system in the world today is the free market. It makes scientists look like impotent clowns. A scientific society that you fantasize about would be a dystopia, soon invaded by countries more intelligent.
Well you havent seen me say so massively stupid things or if so you were unable to prove so.

You have a problem with physicists. I have an even bigger problem with them but only because i know better about what true physics is about regardless of whether i can stand up to my own standards or die trying.

"Free" market (lol) is a free to be manipulated by inferior intellect and ethics forces with the wrong priorities. Communism was a monster, Capitalism is the monster that created communism and the one that ultimately will deliver worse damage to the planet . But dont be afraid . Scientific society is inevitable. Dystopia is only your fantasy failing to understand what i am talking about. It will win on merit and emulated with endless thirst.

You keep hating and i will keep bringing it to life. Who knows i may even show you the worthy follow up to the great minds is here already drawing strength from the smiles of the immortal dead every day.

Physics today is in trouble wherever it is (not everywhere) precisely because of the failure of society at large. It is a symptom of a greater problem and one that was generated by the profound "poverty" of money culture!
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08-03-2017 , 06:12 PM
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"Free" market (lol) is a free to be manipulated by inferior intellect and ethics forces with the wrong priorities. Communism was a monster, Capitalism is the monster that created communism
Science created communism my friend. It was a noble scientific attempt to improve society. The trouble was, it was at odds with human nature (humans are those dirty smelly things that like to do what they want at odds with the autist's preferences), and so the only way to get people to conform is to force them. Hence, the horror.

The free market kicks the **** out of your scientific society. It's the ultimate science, the ultimate empiricism, put into action on a large scale, like evolution. It hugely outperforms any top-down design.

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and the one that ultimately will deliver worse damage to the planet.
Human wants are what deliver damage to the planet, not capitalism. You have a bed. A house. A computer. College building you reside in. The pollution and destruction involved in making those things was immense. You wanted them, so you destroyed and polluted and damaged our planet. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Multiply you wanting a bed and a chair and something to eat by billions of people, and all environmental destruction is explained. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

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But dont be afraid . Scientific society is inevitable.
We already have a scientific society. It's called the free market. Empricism writ large. You're living in your fantasy world already and you don't even realize it.
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08-03-2017 , 08:50 PM
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No it isnt. If the truth can be shown there is no point in rejecting it. A better theory in science is embraced a lot faster than the rest of society. Merit is awarded instantly in relative terms to eg politics on great ideas.
I agree that science marches forward more quickly (in its domain) than the rest of society. It still only moves upon death or retirement.

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The problem is that many imagine some monolithic savant idiot for the kind of physicist i suggest here. You could have a very rational discussion with Einstein about almost anything.
He had his fair share of opinions that were not rationally derived.

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Back to the earlier thing you asked me to reread. I understood it. It is wrong. Merkel had a great upbringing, education and training that included every little thing you mentioned.
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08-03-2017 , 09:01 PM
There is not a single thing "free" about the world's market economy. Hell, there must be six billion (my, somewhat, over exaggeration) documents codifying, lawerfying, ruleifying and telling each and every one of us just EXACTLY where to step, why to step there and when to step there.

When in my/your lifetime did you or any of us escape the law makers, insurance fakers, life bakers and banker takers (in another word, ourselves)? Hint: Never.

Ism's are like jism. Oh yeah, it feels good coming out. And, there is a bit of a glow for a short while afterwards; but, once you've spewed the ism wide, deep, far and long enough, the blinders necessary to continue believing whichever is your ism of choice leaves nothing but a tiny pin-PRICK of a hole allowing vision soul(y) back at one's self.

And to answer the question in the other thread: Being is. All discussion: philosophical meanderings, scientific inquiry and political leanings which follow "Being is" should have one purpose and one purpose only, self-reflection to keep every human being from believing their own sh##y, contrived religious, political, free market thoughts about the worlds/universes.
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08-03-2017 , 11:55 PM
'Cliffs?'
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08-04-2017 , 12:03 AM
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'Cliffs?'
The world was meaningless and F**ked before you arrived. You arriving only F**ked up the world more. When you die and rot the F**king up and meaninglessness will continue.


What else do you need to know, Howard?
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08-04-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
'Cliffs?'
Cliffs, cliffs, cliffs.....

The clit is a cliff that leads to a rift
Fall in and for moments it will seem like a gift

But

Forget your safety gear and in less than a year
Being is, pregnant fear
Being is, pregnant fear
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08-04-2017 , 01:00 AM
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'Cliffs?'


It's a round planet again finally.
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08-04-2017 , 01:11 AM
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=BrianTheMick2. Merkel had a great upbringing, education and training that included every little thing you mentioned.
You cannot seriously be thinking that being born in a communist system and raised in its design you can have what i described. No she is the ultimate cynic because communism above all what it does is kill the human spirit and its optimism. It creates the most unbelievable heartless selfish and cynical people i have ever seen. This is why you have such vast porn industry on all these x-communist countries by the way for decades now (this is not a an attack on porn industry by this statement, only the recognition of the reasons people go there are indeed disturbing in these societies ie the family is screwed up and unable to protect its members from poor choices and a life of hardship and cynicism where everything has a facking price). Only rivaled by the top 0.1% of the mfers in rich countries that lead the demolishing of the human culture.

Merkel is a sad failed at both culture and intellect human that has destroyed Europe. And yet she is vastly better for her people than all the major mfers in other countries. So you figure what is wrong with this bs. When the alternative to the greatest mfer ever ie Trump is a Clinton you know its all f@cked big time and its time to reset the bs we have going on here.
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08-04-2017 , 01:30 AM
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You cannot seriously be thinking that being born in a communist system and raised in its design you can have what i described. No she is the ultimate cynic because communism above all what it does is kill the human spirit and its optimism. It creates the most unbelievable heartless selfish and cynical people i have ever seen. This is why you have such vast porn industry on all these x-communist countries by the way for decades now (this is not a an attack on porn industry by this statement, only the recognition of the reasons people go there are indeed disturbing in these societies ie the family is screwed up and unable to protect its members from poor choices and a life of hardship and cynicism where everything has a facking price). Only rivaled by the top 0.1% of the mfers in rich countries that lead the demolishing of the human culture.

Merkel is a sad failed at both culture and intellect human that has destroyed Europe. And yet she is vastly better for her people than all the major mfers in other countries. So you figure what is wrong with this bs. When the alternative to the greatest mfer ever ie Trump is a Clinton you know its all f@cked big time and its time to reset the bs we have going on here.
She was raised as a Lutheran. Despite her fine upbringing, she has her strange opinions.

You, brought up in Greece with all its silliness, think you know better?!? If the world could be saved by shawarma and salads with barely ripened tomatoes, and religious robes that look like they were done by a boy scout troop trying to get a merit badge for poor patchmanship, your ilk would have already saved us.

I mean, neither of you were brought up as a Presbyterian. This, as we all know, is the best of all upbringings. She, at least, has a foundation that is nearly Presbyterian. Your upbringing is more closely aligned with wearing strange robes and picking olives.

(keep in mind that I am an equal-opportunity hater of all cultural valueless values)
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08-04-2017 , 04:27 AM
My upbringing has nothing to do with black robes and other superficial customs crap. But there is value even in this crap (endless teaching moments) exactly as evidenced by the works of Kazantzakis for example who can prove a true enemy for the church and the ultimate friend for Christ and his teachings at the same time. In there you will see exactly why the version of Christianity experienced in Greece in the right family is one of the most profoundly loving experiences a young person can have. It proves very friendly to science and rational thinking. It promotes endless confidence in the power of the individual human spirit.

My upbringing makes me more Christian (without believing in all but the basic principles that secure a place for love in your heart for your fellow human beings), more Greek, more internationalist, more pro mankind, more pro science and more American than most people in all these categories.

You do not know what you are missing and that includes most Greeks too sadly... I can die this very moment and declare thank you to the universe for all this that happened exactly that way.


One of these days you may finally realize and many others what exactly is the true value of having had exactly my kind of upbringing in one of the most amazing cultures and families a person can ever hope. If my kind of science ever makes it to describe nature the right way it will be only because of that upbringing.

I can be thousands of miles away from Greece and be even more Greek than ever before and even more American at the same time than most here.

In my kind of America your 2 world trade center towers are now standing higher, more brilliant and beautiful than before in the same place and they have the victims' memorial at the top up there in the sky, higher than all that is no more ever stood, giving barbarians a new target. This is the kind of America you are all missing. There is no Iraq war in that storyline. Only the kind of victory that everyone can see in your skyline. That was the America that went to the moon and can still be reclaimed with a little bit more Greek values in your thinking. Merkel cannot even come anywhere near that in her thinking precisely because of her different upbringing. She lacks the imagination for a better Europe and even a better Germany in that Europe because in ethical unity there is more ultimate strength.

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