The whole thing was just a containment thread for masque's Trump-hate rates, and for Zeno to post about flyspeck villages (anywhere not America, basically) where dictators are acting badly.

Masque seems to be on some new medication, so there was no more need for the thread.

Best lock ever though.

Can we continue the Trump hate here?

Like Schrodinger's cat, "if the shoe fits" remains undetermined unless you try it on.


PairTheBoard

Not entirely. The new range of perfume I'm not producing is called "Ode to Chezlaw". The packaging is liberally sprinkled with relevant TS quotes.

You're not a liberal if you don't take criticism on the chin, chez. You're a (presumably) privileged white guy, the archetype of an oppressor. You bear the weight of your ancestor's race-guilt, so you deserve any criticism I give, fair or not.

It is a noble thing you do. The vulnerable (such as the men in cultures that brutally oppress women) desperately need your protection. If they want to viciously oppress women and gays, that is their right and they should not be called on it, because they are a vulnerable group. You nobly aid them in their aims.

Fortunately you are up to the task of aiding these vulnerable people by suppressing speech. No one said the task would be easy.

And you're calling other views simplistic? LOL.

The fact that liberals in US and worldwide needed some realignment from the moronic pc craziness and simplistic reasoning on social issues that took place is undeniable. The fact Clinton had her own issues is also true but she wasnt going to do horrible things. The fact the first woman deserved to be a lot better character is also undeniable. But none of these which in the large scheme of things are not monumentally important could be fixed by choosing Trump and most republicans i have seen for that matter (because they blessed him with their votes anyway so big fu to them) is not the way to do it. Trump is the way to demolish America and divide it even further. He actually undermines science and progress by embracing simplistic reasoning more than even Bush did. I will continue to dislike him and expose his pathetic choices and character until we are done with this megalomaniac loser and its over.

I wasnt posting in that thread recently because people started attacking you TS personally and it became a fight back and forth which i do not endorse and will not participate in that kind of exchanges because it is precisely that style of treatment that took us to Trump.

Trump is a horrible person and so are many that voted for him and still enjoy it. Taking pictures with bloody heads is pathetic response to how he is. How we choose to protest about ugliness is important because it must not be making things worse of distracting from the main issues. The main issues here is he is a selfish lying moron charlatan. The correct picture of his head would be not with blood coming out like they did but with snakes coming out like Medusa all with little names in them like you know who around him. Now that would be the right picture. To put blood into it all is the most pathetic opportunity loss to create a shocking picture that is meaningful and not ugly, reminding people of loser examples like ISIS for instance.

Its not about literally cutting anyone's head. Its about recognizing that the moment has come for an uprising against this kind of superficial bs leadership which essentially long term leads to tyranny and undermines your youth with such pathetic simplistic lying behavior from the "leader". You do have a Medusa problem indeed with many snakes everywhere.

See how idiotic he is also on energy and climate change. The only strong response to climate change and the avg warming of temperature is to go as fast as possible to clean energy. It is is the most important problem the planet faces. This loser is willing to joke about the Paris agreement because it would prevent as he said a small tiny bit of rise . What the moron doesnt get is that the comparison is not between a tiny rise or nothing but between a big rise and a tiny drop or tiny rise. And even 1 degree is massively important. It is this kind of facking language that makes loser voters happy to vote again for such mfers. It rewards simplistic moronic thinking that will destroy US eventually turning it into a backwards marching super divided world and celebrating moronic idiocracy allowing constantly scumbag politicians to do whatever they like, elected by ever proliferating morons. So you have morons and deplorable people on one side and irresponsible hysterical people on the other side. Great. Fu to both.


The other thing this mega moron doesnt get is that the correct way to grow is in the direction of increasing energy usage not the direction or clean energy and super efficient limited usage with great sacrifices for carbon emissions. The solution is to find ways to produce more energy than ever before in the most clean, efficient and job creating manner ever imagined. The solution may even be to continue to burn fuels but only if we find a way to recover all carbon effectively elsewhere from atmosphere creating synthetic fuels. You will not go there by coal jobs. You will get there by relentlessly focusing on new ideas with massive boosting of new technology and the science behind this.

The only problem with Paris agreement is that it probably doesnt do enough and conceivably it doesnt ask as much from others as it asks from advanced nations. You do not exit from it to return to bs reckless behavior, you exit from it in order to create something even better or you do not exit from it at all and try to improve things from inside by suggesting changes constantly.

Morons everywhere. Progress is highly correlated with increased energy production/consumption. The solution to climate change is more aggressive production of energy in other smarter ways through relentless new technology.You need more energy to get a better control of your environment. The solution is to invest everything you can to get there as fast as possible.


The morons do not realize that it is not about global warming in the sense that all places will get hotter in some easy to demonstrate spectacular manner. Its about the avg temperature (ie not everywhere) getting a little higher with time because the planet is finding thermal equilibrium at a higher avg emission temperature. What this means is that the planet has a little more energy to offer to weather phenomena and this makes climate more volatile and potentially creates serious runaway effects . It is a massive problem if we do not deal with it properly. It is already affecting many things. It is here.

Altering the CO2 levels and other green house effect enhancing gases is indisputable given our behavior. All the mfers that are denying what is going on and try to offer all kinds of bs pseudo criticism of the research going on are like the creationists 100x worse than the hysterical people of the left that treat it with panic.

Idiotic agreements like Paris are classic common pool problems. China and India will defect almost 100 per cent of the time, and with the net result of massively more expensive energy in USA#1 and no tangible effect on climate at all. It would make much more economic sense to take transfer payments under Paris and plow those into nuclear plants and fusion research. As a matter of process, Paris probably ought to be a treaty obligation, which needed to be ratified by the Senate. If anything is autocratic about that situation, it is the actions of our prior President.

What has President Trump actually done that makes you think his leadership leads to autocracy?

Lying all the time! Pruning the people around him that can expose his corruption? Refusing to grow up from his megalomaniac loser personality (me me me me me all the time celebrate me me me me me, see how great great great great i am) and treat people like a real leader that can unite not further divide? Being ignorant about science? All of this and 10x more. Attacking the media and propagating insults that simplistically stick to his moronic base. Fake news. There is no some big fake news problem. He is the fake news actually. Lying all the time. There is some hysterical news from both sides but news are not fake for the most part plus a smart person can detect the fake little superficial stories and ignore them. He has done nasty things and lied relentlessly. He has cooperated with mfers like Putin (another mega loser tyrant) to infiltrate US politics and he and his team have effectively the last year and more behaved like US traitors, foreign agents. He plays into the game of Putin. He is his puppet effectively. Putin is super happy about what is going on in US currently.

That post is clueless. Who cooperated more with Russia? The president who was caught off-mic saying he'd "have more flexibility after the election" (Obama) or the one who is leaning on the EU to double their defense budgets as a bulwark against Russian annexation of further territory?

With respect to cooperating with tyrants, who cut a deal essentially permitting Iran to build nukes, shut down a decade-long DOJ investigation into Iran sourcing of nuclear materials and paid the mullah hundreds of millions in cash? And this is with the people who have declared Jews to be bacteria? Your analysis is doctrinaire, shallow and incorrect.

Quiz for you; which modern president openly called a reporter a nazi? And which president has actually jailed reporters for refusing to reveal their sources? Hint: not the current one.

I agree that he's undisciplined, bombastic, and insecure. But the left has lost all historical perspective in its frenzy to condemn him.

I'm done arguing with you about it. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

They don't even need to defect!!! The agreement gives them carte blanche to pollute as much as they want for decades, with no controls or expectations - and get paid for it by the US. I am not joking.

Paris in fact is a certainty for increasing CO2 more than if Paris didn't exist. The West is highly efficient in power use and manufacturing; China and India far less so. They produce a lot more CO2 per unit of output. So if you put up power prices in the West, you are in effect guaranteeing a net move to less efficient manufacturing and greater global CO2 output. The Paris agreement also removes the impetus and pressure on China and India to do anything.

This is how you know the left and nearly all the media are lost in a religion. I am all for different values and belief systems. I am all for disagreements about methods. But if someone thinks something is really important (reducing CO2), even the critical defining challenge of our time, and then they go and support and laud an agreement that does the exact opposite of what their stated goal is (reducing global CO2 emissions) you have objective proof that their minds are completely gone.

It's really sad to see pure lunacy win out over reason and science.

Ummm, how much was the US going to pay them because of the agreement?

I believe USA#1 has funded the UN green climate fund to the tune of a billion dollars. I don't know what if any of that goes to India and China, as opposed to third world countries.

For everyone's information this is an intermission to the linked thread, as stated. That is all. It may or may not be opened again, or another started. It is a proactive measure. SMP is perceived as a hotbed of nefarious posters by some. Depending on backroom discussion/debate the exchange of money or other backs stabbings and black mailings, something may happen. Or nothing happen at all. Meanwhile, drink Beer and listen to music and watch sports and have sex and keep posting. That almost no one pays us any attention may help. Soon no one will be here except ghosts. And that will only offend a few.

My object has always been to allow, as much as possible, the freedom of expression in SMP for lively and fun debate. But other factors, this being a business site with private owners, trumps this consideration and personal objective. This is perfectly understandable given the conditions and terms of this private site. Respect that.

Your number is correct. Approximately equivalent to one large order of Freedom Fries per capita (US only), or about 0% of annual US GDP, or one floor ticket to the NBA finals.

The green fund is earmarked for projects in developing countries. By most definitions, India and China count as developing countries.

Should I buy Mat a bottle of Bulleit?

Yes!

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You have it wrong guys. If he wanted to improve on all these he would be behaving vastly different than what we are seeing. And the mfer would have the testicles to come out and say bloody hell climate is changing and we are messing up the planet and its high time to do something big about it and demand that China and India do much more but with us leading by innovation and example that game not by marching back in time.

Yes do exactly that and the hell with his imbecile base or deplorable ignorants - since in fact caring for them to improve as people is precisely showing them the actual truth not perpetuating the lies and cultivating their ignorance further.



It is very easy to improve on Obama's legacy. Make your own better by doing certain things differently but recognize the other guy had correct ideas too. You are not the only one that cares for the country. And the game is moving forward not settling scores.


He only cares to undo things the other guy did. He cares for his moronic base of deplorables thats all. And he behaves like a stupid 9 year old that got his way for a moment.

How little he is. But the end is near for all this bs.

I'm going to have to protest at this quite unreasonable viewpoint. Bulleit is quite fine. Reasonably priced even at its finest bottle.

Well assuming this is me, reopen the thread. I won't post in it. Bizarrely, for all the chittering, no one from high has ever told me to stop making certain posts, or commenting on certain topics.

If this site's policy is that it's fine to viciously attack poor, underprivileged conservatives, but not the religion who caused a bunch of people to stab women and ran them over with cars in London today, then that's fine. State it explicitly. If chezlaw and Mason want to be a shield and ally to violent xenophobic misogynist homophobic bigots, that is their right. Just say the word. I certainly wouldn't want to deal with the incessant "righteous" nagging that comes from the people like Trolly as they try to shield these bigots from scrutiny. Much of the world shares the philosophy of Rotherham these days - it is better for women to be oppressed and children to be mass raped and tortured than notice a pattern of bad behavior in anything non-Christian white male.

If chezlaw is down with that, as he seems to be (and as are the people on his side), so be it. I don't have to live with the consequences. I'm a privileged male. Islam would actually be good for me - multiple wives, unquestioned patriarchal power, complete obedience from the females in my life. The end of feminism in the West. Where do I sign up?
Agreed. It's sad to see the naggers - and supporters of bigotry, misogyny and xenophobia - win, though. I guess it's the way of the world right now. I wonder where all this will end. Probably in the rise of the far right. Trump is the first of many consequences of the shrill reality-denial and suppression of alternative thought that the left has fallen into. If I was actually right wing, I would be getting on board with this philosophy, as it's the fastest way to grow the far right:



Congratulations, chezlaw...your philosophy is leading to both the growth of the far right AND the importation and enabling of a growing group violent, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic bigots. They let their underprivileged voice be heard on the streets of London today, plowing cars into women. I assume you support them. It's just the underprivileged crying out for help. Nothing to do with religion. You're a good person, chez. Never let that be in doubt.

So yeah. If I'm the problem just say so and reopen the thread. I won't post in it.

Sounds like a promising source of renewable energy.


PairTheBoard

Come out with it; it should have interjected in that thread; not cast aspersions without names. I'll name a couple; that "five" guy has performed no better than the guy who look like a piece of "snought" . they are the same ones who make it difficult to discuss within reason. Some call them trolls but the name is too nice; they are more akin to a blackened parasitic malady which feeds on and thrives on a malevolent festered destructiveness.

Back in the day, these same types, and same people, caused uproar in the old Religion, God and Theology and had a poster(s) banned for no good reason than the poster offered substance not too their liking. Yes, it was Splendour who became the focus of antipathies and who wouldn't fold to the unthinking cretins; sound familiar ?

After the disruption it seems like they all traveled to the politics forum.

Beer is overrated and at this point in time I am happy we shot those redcoats ; imagine wearing a redcoat in the middle of a north american forest LOL boys, live and learn.

And oh yea, ok to close the thread .

I opened the thread for keeping the **** out of this thread. Apparently it was needed. Now it's not as necessary, when everybody knows...

Trump was that massive unfavorable news it could be discussed in multiple fora, imo.

Patience reaps splendid rewards. This to shall pass. I'm reloading. You should too. Science, Math and Philosophy will not be silenced. If muzzled here, go elsewhere - spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth, and beyond. 2+2 is not your only outlet, don't impose a narrow vision on yourselves. There is a whole universe to destroy.

Every day we live universe is "destroyed" a bit.

Entropy.