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05-11-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
I just started reading the book mentioned below. And also noted the quote I extracted from the link below. Tuchman's Law would make for a good discussion. I place it here to hopefully shield it somewhat from the poltard plague and the brain dead. Any infiltration by P and PU slime will be dealt with swiftly and viciously.


Barbara_W._Tuchman

From above link-


In the introduction to her 1978 book A Distant Mirror, Tuchman playfully identified a historical phenomenon which she termed "Tuchman's Law," to wit:


Disaster is rarely as pervasive as it seems from recorded accounts. The fact of being on the record makes it appear continuous and ubiquitous whereas it is more likely to have been sporadic both in time and place. Besides, persistence of the normal is usually greater than the effect of the disturbance, as we know from our own times. After absorbing the news of today, one expects to face a world consisting entirely of strikes, crimes, power failures, broken water mains, stalled trains, school shutdowns, muggers, drug addicts, neo-Nazis, and rapists. The fact is that one can come home in the evening — on a lucky day — without having encountered more than one or two of these phenomena. This has led me to formulate Tuchman's Law, as follows: "The fact of being reported multiplies the apparent extent of any deplorable development by five- to tenfold" (or any figure the reader would care to supply).

Tuchman's Law has been defined as a psychological principle of "perceptual readiness" or "subjective probability".


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He is just ridiculous for thinking it's worth naming as a law.

It's just a bog standard part of cognitive bias.
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05-11-2017 , 12:36 PM
Does anyone know where I can buy a Virtue Signal? I'd like to put one on the top of my car so it should flash some color other than red.


PairTheBoard
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05-11-2017 , 01:19 PM
Sheer drop

Nuff said
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05-11-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
He is just ridiculous for thinking it's worth naming as a law.

It's just a bog standard part of cognitive bias.
Yep. Already called "availability heuristic."
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05-11-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
. Any infiltration by P and PU slime will be dealt with swiftly and viciously.[/I]

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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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05-11-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
More sheer drop ...

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05-11-2017 , 03:21 PM
I called the FBI and asked if I was under investigation. They said, No, the best they could do was refer me to the IRS for an audit. I guess I'll have to settle for that.


PairTheBoard
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05-11-2017 , 05:17 PM
People ****ing things up.

Like voting like *******s.

Talking about stupid. That's real moronness. Sorry for being this frank and honest.

How could you get fooled like this?

Either stupid or destructive or both. Every smart person saw this coming.

"You're fired!"

Solution: maybe quote this post, apologize and do better next time? Will be waiting.


- Nanny plaaynde

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05-11-2017 , 05:25 PM
I presume that my hair is turning grey in order to signal to the rest of the gene pool that I'm a waste of space. Is that true? If so, how does it benefit the survival of my genes? A cursory Google search does not provide immediate answers.

https://biology.stackexchange.com/qu...y-hair-evolved

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...air-turn-gray/
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05-11-2017 , 06:12 PM
Hair turning grey is an adequate reaction to the environment?
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05-11-2017 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
He is just ridiculous for thinking it's worth naming as a law.

It's just a bog standard part of cognitive bias.
He?*

Despite the current fashion of gender fluidity, the quote is from a woman with known functioning genitals and those other vast organs of sexual reproduction of the human female (she even had three daughters to prove it). That you would assume the law was made by a man simply illustrates the deep chauvinism that flourishes for all time in the British soul.

I see intelligent women are beyond you, if you bothered to look into the matter and the context you would not be so flippant with your castigation and enjoyed the law for its frothy fun and wit. If you think Barbara took it all very seriously you missed the boat and stepped into the bog yourself. Oh wait, you already did that my old friend.

How's Chezland? Saved any vulnerable groups lately?



*And don't be disingenuous and claim it was a typo, Bucko!!

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05-11-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
He?
Details, details...

In before between the legs check. Balls or not balls, there's Shakespeare for you.
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05-11-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
I have a copy of the March to Folly on my bed table at the moment.
No time like the present...............
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05-11-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
Does anyone know where I can buy a Virtue Signal? I'd like to put one on the top of my car so it should flash some color other than red.


PairTheBoard
Make it Green, that all encompassing color for the sanctimonious world savers and their sheepish followers.
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05-11-2017 , 08:47 PM
I'd probably have been a famous goalkeeper if I had the ACL of a champion.
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05-12-2017 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
He?*

Despite the current fashion of gender fluidity, the quote is from a woman with known functioning genitals and those other vast organs of sexual reproduction of the human female (she even had three daughters to prove it). That you would assume the law was made by a man simply illustrates the deep chauvinism that flourishes for all time in the British soul.

I see intelligent women are beyond you, if you bothered to look into the matter and the context you would not be so flippant with your castigation and enjoyed the law for its frothy fun and wit. If you think Barbara took it all very seriously you missed the boat and stepped into the bog yourself. Oh wait, you already did that my old friend.

How's Chezland? Saved any vulnerable groups lately?



*And don't be disingenuous and claim it was a typo, Bucko!!
I just didn't notice the first name and have a bad habit of saying 'he' when I'm on on the interwebbythingy

btw don't think I didn't notice that P and PU slime is an anagram of limey bastard.
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05-12-2017 , 01:06 PM
I'm looking for help regarding the compatabalist argument in favor of free will, esp Dennett's. All that I can find on youtube is some mushy assertion that we are agents of some kind therefor we can have the free will that we need and something about belonging to the 'moral agent club.' I don't feel like reading an entire book if I don't have to but w/e the argument is it seems weak bec it doesn't go into detail re how such a thing is physically possible.

Ofc if someone wants to write a mini-dissertation I'd appreciate that.
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05-12-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I'm looking for help regarding the compatabalist argument in favor of free will, esp Dennett's. All that I can find on youtube is some mushy assertion that we are agents of some kind therefor we can have the free will that we need and something about belonging to the 'moral agent club.' I don't feel like reading an entire book if I don't have to but w/e the argument is it seems weak bec it doesn't go into detail re how such a thing is physically possible.

Ofc if someone wants to write a mini-dissertation I'd appreciate that.
Dennett redefines what free will is. He defines it as the feeling you get when you are deliberating about what to choose from a menu. This is a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.

He defines a moral agent to be something that we become morally outraged at if it displeases us. This is also a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.
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05-12-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Dennett redefines what free will is. He defines it as the feeling you get when you are deliberating about what to choose from a menu. This is a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.

He defines a moral agent to be something that we become morally outraged at if it displeases us. This is also a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.
I was expecting something more robust, tbh, but despite watching multiple youtubes of him explaining his position none are satisfactory. I think that I can make a better argument myself and that surprises me.

Well, thanks for the reply, I'll stop w/ compatabalists even though I think that determinism is premature, at best.
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05-12-2017 , 02:48 PM
Howard, we need to collect more data.
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05-12-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Dennett redefines what free will is. He defines it as the feeling you get when you are deliberating about what to choose from a menu. This is a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.
I think there's more sophistication in this view than you're giving credit to. Free will doesn't really fit in the box of dry rational language; I think he's sliding around the problem nicely.

Free will is a hamster stuck in the drain pipe of philosophy, and he's squirting lubricant on it. I applaud him for that.
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He defines a moral agent to be something that we become morally outraged at if it displeases us. This is also a silly thing to do, but he did it anyway.
Seems reasonable also. Stuff does stuff to other stuff. It's called physics. For all intents and purposes, a moral agent is only something we recognize as such.
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05-12-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Howard, we need to collect more data.
That's why I said 'premature.'

This apparently qualified person says that we don't have a definition of consciousness and must settle, for now, w/ having a working definition. Has anything changed in the 4 years since this presentation? I'm guessing 'no' since I've been youtubing the heck out of this topic and haven't found a thing. If this keeps up then most of the field is going to eventually claim consciousness is an illusion also and then we are in a really ludicrous position.

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05-12-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I think there's more sophistication in this view than you're giving credit to. Free will doesn't really fit in the box of dry rational language; I think he's sliding around the problem nicely.

Free will is a hamster stuck in the drain pipe of philosophy, and he's squirting lubricant on it. I applaud him for that.

Seems reasonable also. Stuff does stuff to other stuff. It's called physics. For all intents and purposes, a moral agent is only something we recognize as such.
The problem lies in him then taking these newly defined words and trying to fit them into arguments that require the old definitions to make any sense.
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05-12-2017 , 06:44 PM
He could have done otherwise if he had done otherwise but since he didn't do otherwise he must have done what he actually did.


PairTheBoard
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05-12-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
That's why I said 'premature.'

This apparently qualified person says that we don't have a definition of consciousness and must settle, for now, w/ having a working definition. Has anything changed in the 4 years since this presentation? I'm guessing 'no' since I've been youtubing the heck out of this topic and haven't found a thing. If this keeps up then most of the field is going to eventually claim consciousness is an illusion also and then we are in a really ludicrous position.

It simply doesn't matter in everyday life whether it is an illusion or is an actual thingamajig. Same with free will.

It isn't like if I explained how your perception of color works that you'd pick out a different outfit to wear tomorrow. "Ah, ****, since it is just the frequency of the photons hitting your eyeballs along with some other important situational factors that leads you to see this shirt is the color blue. Might as well wear something that clashes since it isn't a real thing."
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