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05-01-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
kidding aside...

It is beneath our intellect to have a "female" companion (sexual and not) that is AI unless it is sentient AI and highly imaginative and bio-realistic. Then it is a possibility worth considering. But any fake female simulation experience is worthless in my opinion. It is still a glorified doll that essentially treats your body as a moron. To contrast with pornography, pornography targets your brain not your body. The body connection is minimal and targeted. If you are actually having sex with a doll that simulates a female you are ridiculing the experience and its insulting to your body, treating it like stupid meat as if what it needs is a fake touching experience.

Now a simulated sexual encounter that encloses your body in a system of sensors and exciters or whatever you want to call that and at the same time targets your brain with images or ideas of sexual nature is something far more interesting. You are not pretending anything there, you simply engage the brain in a way that can be superior to the actual real thing.

The actual real thing of course comes with a true human being and all their problems and benefits such as friendship, wisdom, skills, family possibilities, unpredictability and originality, romance etc. The real thing is both superior and inferior to the above suggested brain body simulation at times but always superior to any simulated AI doll experience.

The fake simulated doll AI that is not really sentient is a true joke. The sentient though will give women a run.
A wise man once said, "Any hole is a goal."
Compare your hand to our most advanced blow up doll. It's not a question of intellect but a question of ideals; it may be more ideal to have an intelligent conversation than to make love to a synthetic silicon intelligent robot with perky boobs.
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05-04-2017 , 01:44 PM
05-04-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MacOneDouble
Dreams operate outside the IR spectrum and maybe outside the bounds of time. Negative lucid dreams shouldn't be possible though.
Masochists? People who think they deserve the pain/humiliation? I don't know if PTB is one of those, but he might be.
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05-04-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Lagunitas makes great beer. I saw it being sold in bottles in Copenhagen two years ago, at a burger joint. The Danes were/are crazy about American Burgers and beer. Probably still a great investment opportunity if you wanted to open a burger place. I don't have the time.
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05-04-2017 , 05:22 PM
Hop stoopid was one of my favourite American beers.

Experience suggests it won't be the same again
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05-04-2017 , 05:41 PM
From the front end of this book; The Last Lion Winston Spencer Churchill Visions of Glory: 1874-1932, the author is giving the setting of the empire in Churchill’s youth. It is very informative and deliriously amusing about how the Victorians thought of themselves and their glorious empire. I love the excerpt below; that I reproduce for the edification of Americans that just can’t grasp how the English think, back then, and of course staggering forward to the present day.

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England issued the first postage stamp, the “penny black,” back in 1847, and in an act of conceit undiminished by the fact that it was unintentional, the stamp bore a cameo of the Queen and nothing else – identification of the country seemed superfluous. Yet sometimes British contempt could be magnificent. Dressed to the nines, buttons glittering and collar starched, Captain William Packenham went ashore to deal with a gang of cutthroats who were massacring Armenians. The leaders of the pogrom gathered around him, glowering and fingering the edges of their bloody knives. Packenham stroked his bead and told the interpreter: “Let us begin. Tell these ugly bastards than I am not going to tolerate any more of their bestial habits.”

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05-04-2017 , 05:42 PM
I enjoyed a pint of Kohinoor IPA at the Bree Louise the other day. Chezlaw is right, it is a fine establishment.

I also recommend the curry at the Indian YMCA not far from there. Very authentic and cheap and all you can eat.
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05-04-2017 , 07:31 PM
What did the perpendicular say to the obtuse? The same thing the Gaussian said to the exponential. "How odd", the 4 said glancing at the 7.


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05-04-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Hop stoopid was one of my favourite American beers.

Experience suggests it won't be the same again
This explains you complaining about Mexican food not being spicy enough.
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05-04-2017 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Masochists? People who think they deserve the pain/humiliation? I don't know if PTB is one of those, but he might be.
Sometimes it is fun to do versions on a theme in lucid dreams. Kind of like a choose-your-own-ending book.
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05-04-2017 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Hop stoopid was one of my favourite American beers.

Experience suggests it won't be the same again
I visited their main brewery a few years ago. Don't worry. It was pretty much like any mass produced sort of thing. Very controlled, very hygienic. Boring.
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05-05-2017 , 08:05 AM
A clown walks in an operating room. The nurse asks him, "are you our anesthesiologist again?" The clown answers, "no nurse, I'm doing the surgery today". The patient looks up from the operating table and exclaims, "wait, what? I don't want some damn anesthesiologist cutting me open."


PairTheBoard

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05-05-2017 , 08:41 AM
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I visited their main brewery a few years ago. Don't worry. It was pretty much like any mass produced sort of thing. Very controlled, very hygienic. Boring.
That doesn't help unfortunately. Without key people with expertise who really care about the product then some bean counters will find cheaper ingredients, process to cut etc without any clue that they are making the product pointless. Then with no self-awareness they will often kill it completely because it doesn't sell very well. Or it suffers the worse fate of becomes a mediocre brand product like Abbotts Ale with sad old men (aka me), wistfully going on and on about how it used to be one of the wonders of the world.
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05-05-2017 , 09:45 AM
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That doesn't help unfortunately. Without key people with expertise who really care about the product then some bean counters will find cheaper ingredients, process to cut etc without any clue that they are making the product pointless. Then with no self-awareness they will often kill it completely because it doesn't sell very well. Or it suffers the worse fate of becomes a mediocre brand product like Abbotts Ale with sad old men (aka me), wistfully going on and on about how it used to be one of the wonders of the world.
It's all BS. In blind taste tests, neither experts nor amateurs can tell the difference between cheap and expensive. Or wine for that matter. For beer, the results are even more hilarious - drinkers can't even identify the taste or supposed superiority of their favorite brand once the label is removed:

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A new study from the American Association of Wine Economists explores the world of beer rather than wine, and the findings indicate that you could be buying a favorite brand of brew for no good reason whatsoever. While the experiments conducted were limited, the results show that when labels are removed from beer bottles, drinkers can't tell different brands apart—sometimes even when one of those brands is the taster's go-to drink of choice.

In the paper, the researchers first point to a classic 1964 study, in which a few hundred volunteer beer testers (probably wasn't too hard to find folks willing to participate) were sent five different kinds of popular lager brands, each with noticeable taste differences according to the experts. But people who rated their preferred beer brands higher when the labels were on bottles "showed virtually no preferences for certain beers over others" when the labels were removed during tastings:

In the blind tasting condition, no beer was judged by its regular drinkers to be significantly better than the other samples. In fact, regular drinkers of two of the five beers scored other beers significantly higher than the brand that they stated was their favorite.
I realize this is close to heresy/a bannable offense, but the scientific truth is that you're all cucks paying far too much money for rotten grapes and wheat, and fooling yourself into believing there's a difference between brands. You're being fooled by marketers and a kind of placebo effect on your tastebuds.
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05-05-2017 , 09:50 AM
Blind tasting is a very interesting topic. It's a great way to begin to understand just how important cognitive bias and expectations are to our perceptions.

But it's a mega huge mistake to conclude from poor performance in blind tastings anything very much about the quality of the product or our appreciating of it.

Fortunately much of psychology is approaching a science now and simple experiment will confirm that tasting a drink is a very different brain process to drinking it

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05-05-2017 , 10:06 AM
You know what I think of scientific research (scientific research is mostly bull****/"cool story bro", and the bigger the interest difference/publication likelihood between a positive a negative result, the larger the likelihood it's bull****).

Still. The results are really fun to rub in wine and beer snob's faces. They get all defensive and deny the science and the scientific consensus.
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05-05-2017 , 10:09 AM
The science is all good. Failing to understand the role of both expectations and reality when it comes to perception is simply a mistake.

Tasting is nearly all about expectations (remove any expectation and most people are nearly lost). Training can help a bit but even then they are looking for specific hooks that, while a bit more reliable, are still easy to fool.
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05-05-2017 , 10:17 AM
So your claim is that they are subjectively tasting something different, because of their expectations. How would we even test this?

I don't think it's the taste as such that is different, but more the belief that "this is good and acceptable" that makes them feel happier while drinking it, and believe they're having a more positive experience. Which, when depriving them of funds that could otherwise be spent, is hilariously cuckish.

I disagree that tasting is about expectations. Casual tasting might be a little bit. But it's a tiny effect. If it was more than tiny, there'd be no need for chefs. Marketers could prepare the food.
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05-05-2017 , 10:28 AM
No. the claim is that, like everything else, our conscious perception of reality is based on our internal model of the world rather than directly representing the real work. It's the model of the world that is altered by out taste buds firing. When we taste as an activity then we are interrogating that model of the world in a very different way to when we just enjoy the drink and reflect upon it.

Chefs have far more skills than tasting but the better chefs are usually trained to taste. The best usually have better natural ability as well. Even so they can be easily fooled.
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05-05-2017 , 10:41 AM
Also Just on BEER

The idea you can judge a beer on a small quantity is a joke. Like a good curry (okay not just beer) the flavour and other sensations build and build. I've have awesome beer (Twickenham fine ale for example) where the first pint doesn't do much but by the 2nd the gums are starting to sing it's praises.
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05-05-2017 , 11:40 AM
I'm barely able to distinguish between the three beers tested if they are served to me in a bottle with the label on and a commercial for the beer playing on a big screen tv.
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05-05-2017 , 11:42 AM
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I'm barely able to distinguish between the three beers tested if they are served to me in a bottle with the label on and a commercial for the beer playing on a big screen tv.


Many beers are very similar of course but you probably drink them too cold to taste anything much.
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05-05-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's all BS. In blind taste tests, neither experts nor amateurs can tell the difference between cheap and expensive. Or wine for that matter. For beer, the results are even more hilarious - drinkers can't even identify the taste or supposed superiority of their favorite brand once the label is removed:


I realize this is close to heresy/a bannable offense, but the scientific truth is that you're all cucks paying far too much money for rotten grapes and wheat, and fooling yourself into believing there's a difference between brands. You're being fooled by marketers and a kind of placebo effect on your tastebuds.
Think you are mostly right, but PLEASE let us keep at least SOME of our illusions

I have noticed that whisky tasting notes among experts differ close to coinflips.

More expensive isn't better, that can be good to realize. There are at least some differences between brands anthow. Not necessarily better/worse, but different.

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05-05-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Many beers are very similar of course but you probably drink them too cold to taste anything much.
Even at cellar temperature each can be described as "slightly sweet and brewed within 20 miles of the nearest hop."
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05-05-2017 , 01:09 PM
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I'm barely able to distinguish between the three beers tested if they are served to me in a bottle with the label on and a commercial for the beer playing on a big screen tv.
Proof that you're an advanced being, if such was needed.
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