Unless it actually happens exactly that way lol.

If there is no support statistically to that argument then its racist.


But if you have 2 populations that grow differently for the reasons i gave (because one religion promotes many kids and the other religion or most importantly by now culture - as it is more secular- promotes more effort and quality in upbringing say that takes resources away and makes it hard to offer the same quality to more kids) then over time the careless parents population will outgrow you and the system will fail because what used to be great ideals are now minority.

There is such thing as inferior culture. Not inferior people. Just their ideas and systems of thinking about the world.

Of course as i have said before i am optimistic regarding any mankind society. If only Taliban survived an apocalypse i am confident they would eventually revolt against their theocratic structure and gain their freedoms the same way our ancestors did.

But this is precisely the point. We must be marching forward not backwards and religions like Islam aim at dominating and marching mankind backwards.


Lets just say this basically. I see no problem with growing up as Muslim or Christian or Jewish etc. The problem i have is that one remains that in a superficial sense well past their early adult years (given the capacity for modern education based on science that is available) and then demands to infiltrate with it as many as possible around them at the cost of far more important things. I have no problem if one is secular and keeps their religion to themselves (and more importantly sees it at a symbolic level) and doesnt enforce codes of behavior to others around them that are not founded on higher reason.


PS1: Not everyone is racist or makes racist statements at heart (intended that way). Everyone is somewhat prejudiced or a lot on occasion based on limited experience because this is how we learn with experience and pattern recognition and simplistic identification of trends and projection until the projection fails. To be racist you really need to be absolute and failing to use available information to adapt your ideas seeing each person as a new subject without any prejudice that would victimize them in any manner.

PS2: That Jewish lady in the documentary reminded me of my aunt that i have told you lived in London many years (most her adult life). You could never tell where she came from. She had assimilated perfectly. If you cared you would find out but at surface she was always British. Today many people do not play that game anymore (not talking about London but in general regarding recent migrations). In my opinion if you care enough for a country to stay there you must do it because something about its ideals and culture motivates you and drives you there (not just for the money) and if you introduce something new to it from your background you do it because you think it improves what you found there. Otherwise you are always an opportunistic invader changing what you found there before you. The transition to a united planet is not easy. It is necessary because our problems while we remain divided will continue to grow relentlessly. To do that we need to put our cultural differences aside and unite combining the best of our worlds. That is what immigration should be like. It should be about improving what you found not rejecting it and keeping your alliances somewhere else.

Culture is inferior is a better supposition than one where a culture is inferior.

Cultural supremacy may as well be nationalism or racism as it is not inclusive humanism and over-simplifies cultures as an influence among human influences.

Cultural supremacy is resolvable to degree with mutual acknowledgment of supremacy. Everyone has their best and the inferior is anywhere between mutually denied and mutually confronted.

One thing is for sure. No misappropriate application of cultural inferiority can be even implied when culture is not approached as fragmented between inferior and superior and are rather joined as a commonality, inferior and all superior.

Misses the point. Muslims are as much human beings as you or I or Jews.

They are (at least, the ones I've known) way more serious about their religion than you or I. Does that make them less human?

It depends in what way their seriousness about their religion affects the world around them.

You cant say i missed the point after all that i have written this evening and the care i took to explain things that are easily attacked because racists appear to target the same things but do it unethically and irresponsibly (they also dislike Islam but in their situation they dislike the people also regardless of their behavior and individuality and they are not disliking it for the same reasons).

It is precisely because they are the same human beings that i said i view all as friends at the beginning. But the culture itself takes over eventually if you let it and makes the difference.

The Muslims you have met may be examples of very strong assimilation.

I consider it a deficit if a person given the scientific evidence available in our times remains deeply religious supporting intolerant viewpoints towards reasoning and freedoms of expression and human rights like Islam most certainty does in many of the theocratic countries i gave as examples past their early adulthood. They must be able to graduate out of the superficial part of it that is highly divisive and intolerant supporting viewpoints that are indeed inferior.

When i say inferior cultures exist i dont mean it in the way Nazi Germany saw the others etc. And of course i do not ever mean it in a manner that justifies any violence or behavior that has adverse consequences to any people that did nothing wrong to anyone.

Let me be easier than that and talk in strictly Greek terms to see how i mean it and that its not a nationalistic thing. I consider Byzantine empire inferior in culture to ancient Greece for example. I consider in classic times Athens superior to Sparta. I consider that period that Christianity dominated the scene as opportunity loss time that this place that is my original country marched backwards in many levels.

I consider modern Islam as realized in many countries given the world of knowledge available today inferior to the version that existed say on the golden period around 10th century given what was available to mankind then.

In that sense if something exists today that is superior to the golden age of Islam (the common universal cultural values we have is that) then that has to be superior to the kind of Islam realized in these countries i gave as examples today. So i established merits for the claim superior. Notice i was very careful to not claim a random mountain village is Afghanistan is inferior to a village in Utah. Both places can learn a lot from each other in fact. They fail and succeed at different levels and the claim is not correct for either. Of course a village under Taliban control and most importantly allegiance of the locals is definitely inferior to any US village even one that has intolerant police or racist elements.

That human value means individuality and one has just as good a shot at describing a supposed human individual with imagination and basic reason as they do making a model person from a statistical demographic group while both are using the range of human qualities which apply to human individuals. That range. This is what I meant about lurking oversimplification.

We are all human beings is a fine simplification for the situation.

Well the UK colonized Pakistan, India, Bangladesh to begin with, which is why they are in London at all. Seems to me like it's more like "us" affecting "them".

Clearly you confuse verbosity with intelligence, to the point of self-parody.

Again you make it about your population there which typically was established decades earlier at better times actually. I speak in general with modern immigration that is more opportunistic. You also make it about who affected who the worse etc. I am not keeping score to assign blame here. The questions is what we do with the world we have today.

Greece didnt affect Afghanistan or Pakistan negatively at any point in history but it has criminal elements from these places today that even prey on the recent poor refugees from Syria. To go and be criminal in another country is more pathetic than those born criminals there in my opinion. And lets not talk about those that put them in boats to die from Turkey. These things make one's culture inferior you bet they do. Where is the respect for human life? You better believe it also that the people from FYROM that chased the refugees like animals in the border and others in Hungary i think including reporters show inferior culture as Europeans with their petty behavior.

There is also a big difference between going to a place because you like it or you are victimized in your country and going there to make money because your own place sucks and then conveniently forgetting that your place sucks for a reason and wanting to make your new place the old place you had with the same intolerant viewpoints that have failed the first place to begin with. This is not of course what all do. Only a few can do it and it creates a problem for others too that goes away only if one is open minded to judge people on the content of their character and not be prejudiced against them.

I dont know if i clearly confuse intelligence with verbosity. It certainly takes intelligence to know the difference and you better have it to make that statement otherwise you are typical British snob now and i am stereotyping you lol. It also takes intelligence to know a person may care to explain themselves in detail for a reason. And there my friend you may find the true character of that person. Because it is in the end about how much you care in everything you do. This is where we fail as humans. It is one of the roots of true racism also.

I don't know about the world, but in London we believe in comprehensive education. As great and as flawed as that system is. That appears to be one of the essential components of the UK being the world's fifth largest economy.

"Sucks to you" is all I can think. 'Sore' I've never heard.

Bizarrely it's Polish supermarkets that are under threat not kebab shops and even more bizarrely one of the arguments of the leave camp was that our Indian/Pakistani/etc restaurants were under serious threat if we remained in the EU.

and Lord Nelson was a **** as far as I can tell.

Makes sense that the European connections establishments would have issues (because they behaved as if this was EU common job market regardless of where they started from) rather than those from immigrants that either came long ago and became legal or are already in iffy situation and it doesnt matter either way.

Of course the only real threat for a restaurant is a better one on similar content or bad news with some poisoning etc. If they succeed the initial bad risk period they kind of get a following and operate well if not better (unless very expensive) even in bad economic times because people need some happy hour and food joys are the last to go lol.

I dont understand however how can it be seen as bad to stay in EU when you are such a big economy and you can have your citizens travel anywhere easily. I mean you are effectively removing rights from your own people and the very fact the currency was never transitioned made any complications from currency market issues of competitiveness less relevant.

It is a totally stupid move to leave. Why not stick around and fight Germany and move things to a direction of interest.


The other question is how soon can now someone else propose a new referendum to join back? I mean if its a bs 3-4% difference basically it can be reversed easily in a year or something. So its by definition a stupid decision when so close. Things like that (so radical) ought to have required 2/3 majority or something because only then you can know with near certainty there is something wrong and people generally agree it's the right thing without standard divisions along political groups.

This is why referendums are totally undemocratic constructions to manipulate the people in divisive issues into thinking they decide important things when they basically almost never start it or choose what it is about and how it is framed etc. It is the gutless way of politicians to avoid personal responsibility on hard decisions that they are supposed to be better educated to decide and if not there are many ways to get the correct people to do that with regular elections and campaigning for that reason.

How can you be asked to decide something without the choice to change your mind in the future? What is democratic about making hard to reverse decisions that can be affected by manipulations and short lived importance events?

Lets put to referendum having math at school and paying taxes too. Shall we? What will happen?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1129858/...s-brexit-vote/

More than 40,000 people signed a petition on the change.org website saying: “Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU”.

Hehe here we go again. This is why such referendums must always pass with severe majority or they are simply strong statements to address properly the reasons people are unhappy with the union. And of course there are many because frankly EU has behaved like losers with Greece and others and letting Germany do whatever they like without actual sustainable solution progress on anything for those in trouble.

On the other-hand referendums have liberated pot users from their own laws that oppressed them. Disrupting the oligarchical and ideological interests in control of the representative and executive process. That's an example of the referendum process where better educated is prevailing as the issue is essentially one of choosing between old and new knowledge.

Ummm, you spelled '2+2' wrong.

If that was meant as a trap, it wasn't really necessary. We've got loads of binary thinkers here. They don't get it. They can't get it. It is beyond their capacity.

and loads of non-binary thinkers. No-one else

2.7 million now

Population of the UK is about 64 million*, of that about 3 million are under 18. That leaves about 61 million eligible voters [minus those disqualified for reasons of criminality or citizen status etc.) so lets round down to a smooth 60 million voters. So you have 2.7 million crybabies that want to revote? How pathetic. Of course this is only 4.2 % of the UK voters. So now a minority wants to dictate voting practices and hopefully change a lawful binding election because they were too ignorant or too stupid to educated themselves.

Good God. You need to drink more.

*estimates from Wiki.

Early days -we have years of this. Plenty of drinking time.

In other news we had a very sad event in the chezlaw household last weekend with the demise of our much cherished 2nd bottle of Ardbeg Supernova.

Truly a prince among drinks, we may never see it's like again (or pay £350)

I've never had the liqueur (Italian) linked below. I've had Grappa before. Amaro is quite different - wonder which variety is the best?


Amaro

Boolean != binary.

Carry on.

Boolean is true/false. Binary is also true false as a representation 0/1. 2 positions that are all there is is binary either in the sense of true false from some perspective or A vs B in some other set sense that can also be seen as true false depending who you want to belong to in this context here.

So where is the ≠ coming from?

I agree a proper thinker shouldn't see the world as black or white everywhere although they can approximate everything using the binary system provided they allow enough detail (power scale) for anything to be probed in a binary sense (eg south south west etc) .

Maybe in statistics there is sufficient overlap of the meanings. Brian wins again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_data

Muslims can be of any race. Race refers to biology, physical traits such as skin colour. Superficial stuff.

I find it interesting that you believe that since you are factoring in yourself with that statement.

My thinking in my everyday interactions with people of a different race, is that I simply recognise the person I'm talking to is of another race, which I don't see how that makes me racist to any degree. It's more like recognition of a reality.

You're a worse nit than me.

"Again, I say, I am a racist. I am not as racist as my parents. My children will not be as racist as I am. Freedom from racial prejudice is what we hope for down the line. Impatient with this hope, this process, P.C. seeks to get things done right now. In a generation or at the snap of a finger, you can simply announce yourself to be purged of these atavisms." - Martin Amis

You mean 'he's a better nit than you are'