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09-13-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
They already classify them as unconscientious. Conscientiousness is one of the big personality traits and it happens to have a negative correlation with intelligence.
How about unconscientiousness? Is it intelligent to be that?
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unconscientious
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09-13-2015 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
How about unconscientiousness? Is it intelligent to be that?
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unconscientious
Not sure. The definition for that is entirely outside of what psychologists mean by conscientious (taking care to work hard, follow rules and directions, carefulness, tidiness, etc.).
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09-13-2015 , 01:16 PM
Been getting back in to advanced math after being away from it since college (15+ years). Enjoying it immensely.

I had a dream last night where I was able to prove that:

0^0 = .5 +/- .5

I can't remember the last time I had a dream like that.
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09-13-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
The definition for that is entirely outside of what psychologists mean by conscientious (taking care to work hard, follow rules and directions, carefulness, tidiness, etc.).
That's somewhat confusing, in that case. It seems to me that your description of how an unconscientious person thinks (if that's what it was):

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I'm happier than a pig in ****. So long as your lack of empathy doesn't lead to you ruining my fun, I don't need your empathy.
is more in keeping with the non-psychological definition.
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09-13-2015 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
That's somewhat confusing, in that case. It seems to me that your description of how an unconscientious person thinks (if that's what it was):
It was from the thesaurus:

"arrant, base, casuistic, conscienceless, corrupt, crafty, crooked, deceitful, degraded, degrading, disgraceful, dishonest, dishonorable, exploitative, illegal, improper, low-down, mercenary, perfidious, petty, questionable, recreant, ruthless, scandalous, scheming, self-seeking, selfish, shady, shameless, shifty, sinister, slippery, sly, two-faced, unconscientious, unconscionable, underhand, underhanded, unethical, unfair, unprincipled, unworthy, venal, wicked, wrongful"

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is more in keeping with the non-psychological definition.
The psych definition of not being conscientious would be more along the lines of disliking routine, being easy going, doesn't get a hard-on over following directions, aiming in the general direction of just good enough, not ambitious.

Other than the weird ones who are also neurotic, they aren't bothered by this, so empathy for them is just misplaced and awkward.
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09-13-2015 , 06:25 PM
Little-known TwoPlusTwo fact: In college, Zeno was known as Super Moon due to his predilection for wearing a cape when flashing the local populace.

In an exclusive interview, his mother, Mrs. Zeno stated, "Well, I just don't know about that boy."
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09-13-2015 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
How about unconscientiousness? Is it intelligent to be that?
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unconscientious
This is the same Dictionary.com definition for conscientious.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unconscientious
con-sci-en-tious
adjective
1. governed by conscience; controlled by or done according to one's inner sense of what is right; principled:
She's a conscientious judge, who does not let personal prejudices influence her decisions.

2. careful and painstaking; particular; meticulous; scrupulous:
conscientious application to the work at hand.
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I find it strange they don't have the 2nd definition shown as the primary. It's the only way I've ever heard the word used.

In plaaynde's Dictionary.com thesaurus link for unconscientious they are giving synonyms for the opposite of the 1st definition of conscientious above. They explicitly give the brief definition for the word as "immoral". imo, the more common use of the word unconscientious would be as an antonym for careful, painstaking, particular, or meticulous. (don't see how scrupulous belongs). Maybe an American/British thing?



http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unconscientious

Synonyms for unconscientious

adj immoral


corrupt star
crafty star
crooked star
deceitful star
dishonest star
illegal star
petty star
ruthless star
selfish star
shady star
shameless star
underhanded star
unethical star
venal star
arrant star
base star
casuistic star
conscienceless star
degraded star
degrading star
disgraceful star
dishonorable star
exploitative star
improper star
low-down star
mercenary star
perfidious star
questionable star
recreant star
scandalous star
scheming star
self-seeking star
shifty star
sinister star
slippery star
sly star
two-faced star
unconscionable star
underhand star
unfair star
unprincipled star
unworthy star
wicked star
wrongful


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09-13-2015 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
I find it strange they don't have the 2nd definition shown as the primary. It's the only way I've ever heard the word used... Maybe an American/British thing?
I don't think so. It's probably the only way I've heard the word used. I don't see all that much difference between the two, however. If a lackadaisical attitude is detrimental to others then that is entering the realms of immorality.
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09-13-2015 , 07:34 PM
Welcome to linguistics.
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09-13-2015 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
I don't think so. It's probably the only way I've heard the word used. I don't see all that much difference between the two, however. If a lackadaisical attitude is detrimental to others then that is entering the realms of immorality.
The context that comes to my mind is, "he's a conscientious worker". So he can be relied on to get the job done and to do it right. Opposite of that might be, "he's unreliable and a shoddy workman". Doing a poor job might be detrimental to others but it seems a stretch to call it immoral. You might judge it so under some circumstances but that seems secondary. Not something inherent to the attribute of being a goof off.


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09-13-2015 , 11:56 PM
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Little-known TwoPlusTwo fact: In college, Zeno was known as Super Moon due to his predilection for wearing a cape when flashing the local populace.
The cape was yellow. My sneakers were red. So now you all know two more facts. Use them well. That's what conscientious people do.
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09-14-2015 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JustASpectator
Been getting back in to advanced math after being away from it since college (15+ years). Enjoying it immensely.

I had a dream last night where I was able to prove that:

0^0 = .5 +/- .5

I can't remember the last time I had a dream like that.
Vitamin K deficiency. Eat more kale.
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09-14-2015 , 12:49 AM
Does everyone like the smell of their own farts?
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09-14-2015 , 04:21 AM
Literally, no. Figuratively, yes.
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09-14-2015 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
The context that comes to my mind is, "he's a conscientious worker". So he can be relied on to get the job done and to do it right. Opposite of that might be, "he's unreliable and a shoddy workman". Doing a poor job might be detrimental to others but it seems a stretch to call it immoral.
Not to me, it doesn't. If someone pays me to do something and I don't do it right, I consider that to be immoral.

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... Not something inherent to the attribute of being a goof off.
You do have a point.
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09-14-2015 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Not to me, it doesn't. If someone pays me to do something and I don't do it right, I consider that to be immoral.
I've had to fire more people who enjoy working in an orderly fashion, who like following procedures and who turn their reports in fully filled out and on time than people who just do only what actually needs done and occasionally get yelled at for cutting corners.
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09-14-2015 , 08:07 AM
Why's that?

Obviously it admits degrees. Criminal negligence is an extreme, for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence
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09-14-2015 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Why's that?
Because they underperformed in what mattered for the job.

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Obviously it admits degrees. Criminal negligence is an extreme, for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence
Hardly likely to be charged with criminal negligence for failing to turn in that properly formatted TPS report in triplicate.
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09-14-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I've had to fire more people who enjoy working in an orderly fashion, who like following procedures and who turn their reports in fully filled out and on time than people who just do only what actually needs done and occasionally get yelled at for cutting corners.
Doing the job right doesn't mean being overzealous.

Often those who insist on following all the rules to the letter are taking the piss - and sometimes not in a good way.
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09-14-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Because they underperformed in what mattered for the job.
Aha, there were other factors.

Have you also fired more men than women?
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09-14-2015 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Aha, there were other factors.

Have you also fired more men than women?
They underperformed because the job wasn't ideal for someone who was conscientious.
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09-14-2015 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Does everyone like the smell of their own farts?
I dislike them less than the smell of other people's. The strange thing is that my own farts make me sneeze. Other people's not so much.


PairTheBoard

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09-14-2015 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
I dislike them less than smell of other people's. The strange thing is that my own farts make me sneeze. Other people's not so much.


PairTheBoard
It's got to be purely psychological right? I smell an experiment!

If we filled five balloons with five seperate farts, four from each of your friends and one from you, mixed them up and you sniffed each randomly, would you always rank your own least unpleasant?
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09-14-2015 , 11:14 AM
Most people enjoy the sight of their own handwriting as they enjoy the smell of their own farts.

― W.H. Auden



PS> What-Is-The-Chemical-Composition-Of-Farts

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09-14-2015 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
They underperformed because the job wasn't ideal for someone who was conscientious.
No wonder you fired them.

At least we have established that not every job is ideal for the conscientious.
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