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05-07-2015 , 08:35 PM
Can we redirect this thread to something that matters, like beer?
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05-07-2015 , 08:42 PM
I didn't have a guilt complex but am hoping to change that soon.

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05-07-2015 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I didn't have a guilt complex but am hoping to change that soon.

Thanks, I owe you one.
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05-07-2015 , 11:57 PM


Cheerio! In celebration of the Olde Kingdom, I'd like to have an election of our own. I nominate Leffe Brown to be the King of the Ales! He shall rule with a strong flavour, and a taste of malt. Hear, hear!
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05-08-2015 , 12:43 AM
Economist UK election results map:

http://www.economist.com/uk2015data


Read it and weep. Or not.

Will the conservatives be taking back any old colonies?

Last edited by Zeno; 05-08-2015 at 01:11 AM. Reason: Beer
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05-08-2015 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
I did bet on a Conservative majority at 10/1, however.
Pay the man his money.
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05-08-2015 , 09:10 AM
Should've bet more. I had that feeling, you know?
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05-08-2015 , 11:19 AM
Congrats to Lastcard on the extra pocket money. He's buying.


Some headline:

David Cameron has promised to lead a government for "one nation" and make "Great Britain greater" as he returned to Downing Street as prime minister.

Will you guys be invading France anytime soon?

Also: http://www.wsj.com/articles/pound-ho...ins-1431050791
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05-08-2015 , 01:33 PM
Bitches who Brunch: (Trust me, this is a great website to browse about for weekend fun, it is a kick and the Bitches are groovy)

http://bitcheswhobrunch.com/author/ally/
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05-08-2015 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Economist UK election results map:

http://www.economist.com/uk2015data


Read it and weep. Or not.

Will the conservatives be taking back any old colonies?
The UK looks a lot like Maggie Simpson.
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05-08-2015 , 05:41 PM
Somebody explain to me what a British conservative looks like. I understand he's not the same bible-thumping, gun-totin, free market-lovin, busch lite-drinkin racist you find around these parts.
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05-08-2015 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Somebody explain to me what a British conservative looks like.
Home counties, just look at the map. Bowdlerized countryside dress.
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05-08-2015 , 07:13 PM
Come to think of it...

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05-08-2015 , 07:23 PM
That's one dashing & handsome dude. On his first visit to the big city.
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05-08-2015 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Somebody explain to me what a British conservative looks like. I understand he's not the same bible-thumping, gun-totin, free market-lovin, busch lite-drinkin racist you find around these parts.
To a USA democrat, Labour look like socialists
So do the tories
Now the more extreme right wing party UKIP - they look like socialists

For a republican change 'socialist' to 'commie bastard'
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05-08-2015 , 08:05 PM
You had your Margaret Thatcher. I can't believe you don't have conservatives.

Wikidepia says you have some evangelical party too.
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05-08-2015 , 08:13 PM
Thatcher believed in stuff like universal health care and she wouldn't even privatise the post office or charge students tuition fees.

There is some evangelical party. We just had an election and they make the announcer say something about Christ before we hear they got ~no votes. No idea about their policies but i'm guessing they look socialist

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05-08-2015 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
That's one dashing & handsome dude. On his first visit to the big city.
Will need a new wardrobe prior to burning down a certain person's abode...

The horse is of a normal horse size, right?

To segue into more about me stuff, apparently I have started sleepwalking again. I wish awake me could somehow meet sleeping belligerent me. Sleeping belligerent me sounds like a real kook.
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05-08-2015 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
That's one dashing & handsome dude. On his first visit to the big city.
Not only that. More than anything else he could never be a true misanthrope moreover how he pretended all his life...
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05-08-2015 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
dereds sometimes we cant agree on such basic things as if we are each fighting for some team and not logic itself or the proper description of the true world we find ourselves involved. We should in fact be able to agree though and its sad if we dont.


Isnt it true that an entire system and not an individual is responsible for something happening? Is there such a thing as free will in the truest of senses?

Is someone really free to post if a place has decided to let anyone attack them 24/7 with insults and distortions without the top people that have known him for years saying anything? Why would you want to post and devote precious personal creative time in a place that is completely ungrateful for example (not saying 2+2 is or not but many here clearly are ungrateful and abusive and left unmoderated by those that should know better if they really represent professionally well the site). Why would you want to post in a place that doesnt recognize the value of editing your past work? Why even post in a place that told you to stay silent and keep your modship and then without explanation days later while staying silent (all this after all the nasty things have happened already not while happening) boom you lose it again and nobody takes the time for months to say anything (lets say thats how it did happen, if not we can correct that statement if evidence to the contrary surfaces).

Why post in a place that people that knew you for over a decade didnt stand up to speak about the nature of the person they should have known for years and who was even responsible for the very existence of forums like probability or when they were created etc. Why people that know you didnt take the time to stop people that were calling you the guy that does other's homework and other insulting characterizations that trivialize one's participation to the community (as well as real tutors themselves)? Why would i want to be in a place that eg management or their mods dont care that the members treat the other members in a more civilized manner minimizing the trolling, bullying and other pathetic behavior that is taking place for example. There are indeed a ton of things that are kind of independent of yourself and intrinsic to that system that may prevent you from wanting to post there in a legitimate, principled, not egocentric kind of way.



Lets say that Bruce has decided to not post again until x (some set) of things happen. Then suddenly someone here posts a link of a current event that is taking place in his garage and the people in the video link are about to do something that will kill them or damage them in the next 10 minutes because of some chemistry error or math/physics/engineering error in the set up or some failure on their part to understand something in what is video-linked to a thread. Only someone connected to that location live or by phone that is posting the link and looking at the thread can tell them to correct what they are doing and avoid the disaster. Lets say that at that moment Bruce had happened to take a look at that thread because i dont know he browses by habit once a week or month what is going on or maybe someone alerted him by email or because eg TomCowley that was banned and cant post himself emailed him, pick a reason. There is no time for Bruce to do anything other than suddenly post in 2+2 for the first time in months something that he had decided based on how the system was at the time before to not do. Do you have any doubt that the guy then would regardless of anything else step in and post to prevent the damage that is about to happen as soon as possible? Lets then say that suddenly the people even those that had mocked him start posting and saying hey look we didnt like the guy but see what he did there. And just like that the mood of the community becomes softer and more open minded. Wont that random, exaggerated to funny levels for effect surely but not unreasonable, event suddenly prove a catalyst? A lot of things you cannot control can change your mind.

So why are you thinking that posting is entirely up to Bruce or whoever it is you use as example. Of course the decision to do or not something derives input by a ton of things that are changing and even chaotically so.


Its not about explaining why someone is terrific etc. Its about showing with your choices without even saying it that you actually do think this to be true, that it matters to you when someone is treated in a way that their past history hasnt earned and that their mistakes never deserved in such magnitude, because of something else called commitment that was there for years to "buy" in the most legitimate of ways friendship, respect and yes love/care.

I do think Bruce should come back and post and remind people a few things not with words and volatile arguments but with the best dids that defined that person for years, wiser, stronger, more motivated, leaving behind some edges and toughness. But then the leadership of the community must finally reclaim its true dignity that should always be there shinning, able to make a place desirable in how it is ran by uniting not dividing people and demanding responsible behavior by posters. They should finally do what is right with such person that worked for the community and also deal in a more effective manner with those that undermined that process, unable to help him in a moment of poor choices like true ethical people should do for each other rather than being enslaved by their own petty wargames.

Once again you have to be the change you want to see in the world.

Lets have Bruce back posting again so that among other creative things we can also disagree again in a civilized manner, like people who care for the discussion arriving at the truth and not for scoring individual victories. We can actually all benefit from such approach in how we interact with respect for the process.

bruce and tom should listen to the following song/video. neither are banned.



i want little more than to leave this thread and not be summoned again.


i hope bruce and tom return tonight and post as they have in the past. truly and seriously. i speak for myself, here.

being the forum manager and all, thoughts like these may seem inconsistent. bitchy, even. people on all sides of the debate probably agree on that label.
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05-09-2015 , 12:32 AM
Nice move, Mat.
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05-09-2015 , 01:32 AM
Plaaynde,

thanks for noticing.

as long as i get to just participate here, (i will leave immediately when tom and bruce return) let me vent with another song:

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05-09-2015 , 01:47 AM
Good stuff all the way around Mat. Classy. Kudos.
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05-09-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Good stuff all the way around Mat. Classy. Kudos.
however, i'm still welcome here per my own rules and fueled by blanton's ready for a fight.


any takers? i promise no bans. possibly deletions, but no bans or infractions...
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05-09-2015 , 02:06 AM
goodnight. i hope tom and bruce return and i get to come back too on nights like tonight.


by then zeno should have been able to vouch for me. if not, fill in the rest!
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