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Duffee has bee banned too, by MrWookie. I don't think it's been overturned yet after a few weeks, which surprises me, because I thought Wookie was just messing around. If he sticks to that ban, then that's a real bitch move.

Not to turn the SMP drunk thread into ATF but for one post,
Wookie made a few bad bans that weekend. Duffee actually seemed receptive to openness past 'the echo chamber' on issues through both discussion and argumentation. So what? He doubts the most sublime and nebulous form of face-less, systemic racism, but is willing to talk about it.

So he sets one foot in the politics unchained bad poster thread and ribs mrwookie- not even harshly and gets banned.

Pour one out for Duffee.

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05-04-2015 , 02:08 PM

#4027

plaaynde

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

I don't know who banned Tom, but I didn't mean to imply I think it was Mat. I don't think it's important to speculate.

Hell, it might even have been Mike, coming out from the shadows.

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05-04-2015 , 02:18 PM

#4028

Zeno

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Originally Posted by plaaynde

Personally I think it was Zeno who baned him.

I did not ban Tom. I didn't like the tone of his post in this thread but let it stand. As everyone should have gleaned from my follow-on post very late yesterday, I was not active most of yesterday and I have not participated in nor have I even looked at the Bruce AFT thread since plaaynde started it.

If I'm curious about it later, I may look up why Tom was banned and who did it. But for now it seems counterproductive to add to the inferno. However much we all love Dante.

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05-04-2015 , 02:18 PM

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plaaynde

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The ATF thread was closed

It got worse than I could have dreamed of. But in a weird way, I think it was worth it. Now we may get less of the half-bitter posts in this forum. It's probably obvious for all that Bruce can't return. I wouldn't recommend him to. The train has passed by.

I'm sorry.

Bruce, you made your mark in 2+2 history. Not entirely the way you expected, but anyway. In a way you are the Christ of the forum, sacrificing yourself, after doing much good. Take care, mate! See you over there!

Last edited by plaaynde; 05-04-2015 at 02:32 PM.

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05-04-2015 , 02:26 PM

#4030

Zeno

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Where all think alike, no one thinks very much. - Walter Lippmann [US author & journalist (1889 - 1974)]

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05-04-2015 , 02:36 PM

#4031

Zeno

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Originally Posted by plaaynde

The ATF thread was closed

It got worse than I could have dreamed of...............

Easy to foresee; You need to read more history. Here is a good start and a great book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraor...ness_of_Crowds

Would make a good thread.

Quote from book:

"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."

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05-04-2015 , 02:42 PM

#4032

plaaynde

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Originally Posted by Zeno

they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."

Actually quite worth considering. I hope some got something to think about. One by one.

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05-04-2015 , 02:48 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Zeno

I did not ban Tom. I didn't like the tone of his post in this thread but let it stand.

At the risk of incurring the wrath of BTM, I have no idea what else he expected.

TC might as well have banned himself.

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05-04-2015 , 02:49 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by plaaynde

The ATF thread was closed

It got worse than I could have dreamed of.

I thought it went relatively well

seriously what better did you expect?

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05-04-2015 , 02:50 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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Is there support for a conclusion that I am/ we are a unique individuals, with a gestalt quality and a range of functions. We just happen to live in groups and have adapted to all sorts of group circumstances.

Anyway, the politics regs are still cooking in unchained, and will likely persist in taking opportunities to mock the situation even if their behavior can be discredited openly. But hey, there is always a chance some people are listening and re-weighing their opinions as that choice is always available to a person.

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05-04-2015 , 02:54 PM

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masque de Z

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The ultimate definition of freedom is the ability to change your mind...

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05-04-2015 , 02:55 PM

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microbet

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Originally Posted by Zeno

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05-04-2015 , 02:56 PM

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plaaynde

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I thought it went relatively well

seriously what better did you expect?

Glad to hear. I may actually have to read it now...for spotting every faint signal.

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05-04-2015 , 03:01 PM

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Zeno

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

At the risk of incurring the wrath of BTM, I have no idea what else he expected.

TC might as well have banned himself.

That could be what he wanted all along. But only his hairdresser knows for sure. I will miss him. He was a hell of lot of fun, despite his caustic temper.

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05-04-2015 , 03:01 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by masque de Z

The ultimate definition of freedom is the ability to change your mind...

and to realise when the situation changes.

changing our mind is not always the same as thinking we were wrong before.

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05-04-2015 , 03:09 PM

#4041

plaaynde

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Originally Posted by Zeno

That could be what he wanted all along. But only his hairdresser knows for sure. I will miss him. He was a hell of lot of fun, despite his caustic temper.

Which smart guy is the next to go?

Tom, how the **** could you write like that? I almost feel guilty.

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05-04-2015 , 03:17 PM

#4042

spanktehbadwookie

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Knowledge is a cornerstone in the doorway to change a mind.

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05-04-2015 , 03:19 PM

#4043

masque de Z

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

and to realise when the situation changes.

changing our mind is not always the same as thinking we were wrong before.

But it still requires to change your mind about being right before at some intermediate point which probably was the reason you were doing/thinking what you were then.

Knowledge is the foundation of virtue and happiness.

Ps: This is why i do not like to give up on people and to block users etc. It is also the reason that if i hit someone while fighting i would still care not to damage them with the hit in an irreversible manner. Imagine a kid at school that will never try to hit your nose or your eyes...One day they will all realize how wrong they got everything...

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05-04-2015 , 05:12 PM

#4044

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

'you should do x if you want to achieve y' is nothing at all to do with expectations.

"I expect that if I x, then y will occur."

Different "expect," of course, but all of the reasonable expectations have already been achieved.

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It may be wrong or incomplete but things change and information isn't perfect.

That isn't relevant. Every result that is reasonable to think can be achieved has already been achieved.

If evidence came to light that Bruce is an excellent confectioner, he would be welcome to post on 2+2 precisely the same as he is now welcome to post on 2+2. This statement holds for all changes and newly discovered or debunked information.

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05-04-2015 , 05:18 PM

#4045

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

"I expect that if I x, then y will occur."

Different "expect," of course, but all of the reasonable expectations have already been achieved.

That isn't relevant. Every result that is reasonable to think can be achieved has already been achieved.

At least we are on the same page now.

I think you are mistaken. A much better result is still achievable and there's no good reason to think it can't be achieved. The reverse really.

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05-04-2015 , 05:29 PM

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Mason Malmuth

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Hi Everyone:

Here's where we stand on this. First, Bruce is free to post if he so chooses and we think it would be terrific if he did post again. However, that decision is his and not ours.

As for being reinstated as a moderator, we also think that these things should be done on a step-by-step basis, That is if Bruce does decide to post again, we would want to see how that goes, and if it does go well, then we can look at what comes next.

Best wishes,
Mason

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05-05-2015 , 04:02 AM

#4047

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

At least we are on the same page now.

I think you are mistaken. A much better result is still achievable and there's no good reason to think it can't be achieved. The reverse really.

What other result?

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05-05-2015 , 06:02 AM

#4048

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Thanks. Clearly we want Bruce back at 2+2 and it's helpful to see you saying so. Saying something about why you think it would be terrific if Bruce started posting again would help even more.

I appreciate it would normally go without saying but you might agree that these are not normal circumstances.

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05-05-2015 , 06:03 AM

#4049

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

What other result?

Bruce returning to 2+2. It's not in fact just down to Bruce.

As Mat says, people post if it's fun or beneficial to them in some way. That's not how it has been for mostly obvious reasons and it's why Bruce is not here. Others can make a big difference to that particularly people like Mat, Mason and DS, and in general if people want something they should do what they can to bring it about.

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05-05-2015 , 06:08 AM

#4050

dereds

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****ing hell Chez why is Mason's view here on it being terrific Bruce posting again of any relevance.

Bruce can post and while you all ignore this it's embarrassing.

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