Yes you do.

No. He doesn't. He isn't a species.

I also don't care, but I don't care in a completely different way than the guy who rudely made his name hard to type. I don't care in a more evolved way than he doesn't care.

Sure, but also because I stopped asking questions like "is anyone out there" right around the time I stopped asking "is there God?" and "why must i need or want someone to be out there?"

I'm open to the possibility, sure. But I'm also open to the possibility that you don't exist. In any case, being open to possibilities doesn't mean I care about them.

To not care about one of the most important questions in existence is not a trivial step. I highly remain suspect of its truth and you know i am right.

It has absolutely no connection to the God question. It has everything to do with the very core of abiogenesis and the character of natural law and rise of higher complexity which is the main theme in this universe.

It is because i care for you that i know you care about it eventually.

Complexity is nice, but I'm sure if we lived in a universe of increasing simplicity I'd probably say that's nice as well.
Happy to hear you care for me. I care for you too, friend.

It is possible that a better beer exists in the Milky Way and we on earth are oblivious to its existence.

I care less and less about more and more.

A few more days of vacation and then I'm back to being retired.

No need to care for that at all then. Natural laws take care of themselves.

I also don't care for other natural laws such as gravity. They most certainly don't need me to coddle them.

Unless it takes higher complexity to manipulate, by better understanding, the natural law to obtain even higher possibilities in the complexity ladder. The game gets more interesting. Then it matters. Certain things require organization that is statistically impossible on its own without a higher conscious brain enabling the process.

Ummmmm.

Like protons getting together to form a flag and put it in a moon crater 4 bil years after it was formed. Or like Pu238/Pu 239 being produced in reactors or protons colliding with other protons to produce exotic hadrons or neutrino beams of specific directions and density and trillions of other funny things that cannot happen by basic thermodynamic processes that increase entropy. How about AI forming and populating the galaxy increasing its thermal output spectrum etc.

What is the chance 10^28 atoms decide to go to the corner of a container? Except now it can happen somehow. Natural law didnt have such games taking place before higher complexity emerged.

All the noise we produce on earth with trillions of partially coordinated activities may be well contained in this planet in terms of its influences except eventually it will get out there and affect the greater system.

P>0 or it can't happen no matter what

P>0 is not meaningful enough if that requires <10^(-(10^100)) probability. And yet somehow other protons get together and form a cooling device that starts collecting them at the corner of the container. That is definitely a non trivial outcome that may not be replicated anywhere else in nearly that manner in another million galaxies.

What is the chance U235 that is like 0.3% in a U238 dominated mixture finds a way to become 70% again on its own in the shape of a sphere of several kgr?

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If it happened then it isn't impossible.

My motto: if it happened once it'll probably happen again.

The current state of American society:

I've ordered a matzo ball soup w/ noodles to go (for mom's dinner) at the local Jew deli. The soup is brought out by someone other than the person I ordered it from and that person asks if the soup is for me. The woman standing next to me says it's what she ordered. The person who brought it said 'I was told it's for the man, so..........' and then she clamps her mouth shut and comes out w/: 'I suppose these days I shouldn't say something like that.'

lol, we're doomed.

I'll make this as short as possible Howard:what the **** is a Jew deli:
1. A deli owned by Jews
2. A deli that serves only Jews
3. A deli only Jews go to because only a Jew would eat the food
4. None of the above and because I'm not a Jew myself I should just shut the **** up.
5. A Jew deli is just a front for their nefarious way of controlling the world.
6. None of the above, again, but it is all suspicious anyway.

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Right because if you existed once like that which is the current state of being you will probably be born again and go through the same process and end-state. I dont think so.

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Thats right. As in if you waited 10^100 years it would still have 10^-100 chance to happen lol. So statistically impossible to collect any data because 10^-100 is practically zero for all discussions.


But the fact the world happened that way makes it possible at least once. But only because of complexity. So a world with complexity is far more interesting in its properties than a world with just random events without higher coordination.

The point being complexity is very intriguing and the fact we may be alone in the neighborhood is substantially different from being in a zoo or having many others in the galaxy conveniently staying silent.

I see no special reason why the universe would be finite.

In that case what makes you sure the infinite universe has one set of laws? If it doesnt then layers of infinity with different laws ever so little will secure you do not happen again even in an infinity of possible worlds with slightly different rules every time.

You see for me this is the verdict. A finite set of laws makes no intuitive sense in an infinite universe. It closes and can exist like this or not at all only if it has a finite even if complicated structure.

How do you reconcile the start of something infinite in seemingly finite time of existence since big Bang?

You also have the problem that any subset of that "infinity" appears to be made of finite number of particles and states. So again no natural process of that subset of the infinity is known that gives such infinite structure. That puts it in some kind of trouble. Eg the real line has 1-1 correspondence to R but no such thing appears to be the case with particles.

Do we have a process in physics that requires all the infinity of natural numbers to prove correct but fails to experimental verification if the set is say only 10^80 or 10^1000 for all i care big? I do not recall a perfect example that infinity saves the day that would have failed if the cutoff was 10^100.