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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Citamgine's arguments against punitive justice provide a great description of people, their anxieties, intentions, hopes and desires. It's just not the people of this world.
A better line of argumentation for rehabilitative justice may be to argue for it; rather than arguing in opposition to punitive justice. It shouldn't be framed as an either/or situation. Punitive justice presently reflects people's desires and their views of justice. A change in people's views on justice may help make a change in their desires but implying that punitive justice is not in their desires won't get far.
I did not intend to imply that people do not desire punishment as a form of justice. Many do.
I believe that in order to overcome the inertia of established systems it is important to point out the problems therein. It's also important to point out the influence that these systems, which are held as authority, impart on social dynamics- in this case the notion that revenge is justice. It can be helpful to understand the orgins of harmful ideals which lead to the eventual formation of harmful systems.
I agree with you somewhat. I don't think the sole focus should be on the problems with punitive justice. I think it's also necessary to showcase the benefits of rehabilitation.
It's just difficult to argue in favor of any social position without a basis for comparison. In math we can both arrive at the same solution through different modes of procedure. In a macro view of life that is not always the case because the procedure is sometimes a part of the solution. This reminds me of the AI who's instructed to make paper clips and then goes on to destroy everything to make material for more paper clips.
The ends do not justify the means. Weighing the cost/benefit relationship of punitive justice should have been a thought experiment, not something carried out in real life.
Rehabilitation is an effective and humane means for correcting harmful behavior. Its morally consistant. It sets a good example for the culture. Rehabilitative systems are already in use and have empirical evidence to back their effectiveness. Norway is a good example of the right direction.