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Old 10-06-2018, 07:29 AM   #1
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Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

Repressed memory is an important topic today. The article

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...pressed-memory

is about the divide between researchers and practitioners (including therapists) about the reality of repressed memory.

"This subject, quite frankly, is probably the most upsetting in the whole of psychology. Not many want to put their necks out and even broach the subject—It is almost like you have to avoid it like politics or religion. But it is centrally important to the field; in fact, closing this gap could result in researchers and clinicians becoming closer on other issues, too. One can imagine a domino effect where if you solve this sticking point, other disagreements might resolve—for example on whether to trust clinical experience over controlled experiments," says Patihis.

Patihis's study revealed that repressed memory believers and skeptics are remarkably similar in intelligence and personality. "Those with which you do not agree are not necessarily stupid nor do they have unusual personalities," says Patihis. "Knowing that may help people focus on the central evidence rather than ad hominem attacks." He hopes this study will lead to improvements in evidence-based communication between scientists and practitioners. "I think we should be open to ideas on how to close the gap on beliefs about repressed memory from both clinicians and researchers," Patihis says.


No conclusive evidence that repressed memory is valid is the default position I think. How do we prove it exists?
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Old 10-06-2018, 11:18 AM   #2
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

Supposing that- Researchers observe groups, practitioners observe individuals....


Is memory practiced (as in experienced) in groups or as individuals?
Do practitioners have the better, closer-to-source information about memory? Looks that way at first glance.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:47 AM   #3
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

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Repressed memory is an important topic today. The article

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...pressed-memory

is about the divide between researchers and practitioners (including therapists) about the reality of repressed memory.

"This subject, quite frankly, is probably the most upsetting in the whole of psychology. Not many want to put their necks out and even broach the subject—It is almost like you have to avoid it like politics or religion. But it is centrally important to the field; in fact, closing this gap could result in researchers and clinicians becoming closer on other issues, too. One can imagine a domino effect where if you solve this sticking point, other disagreements might resolve—for example on whether to trust clinical experience over controlled experiments," says Patihis.

Patihis's study revealed that repressed memory believers and skeptics are remarkably similar in intelligence and personality. "Those with which you do not agree are not necessarily stupid nor do they have unusual personalities," says Patihis. "Knowing that may help people focus on the central evidence rather than ad hominem attacks." He hopes this study will lead to improvements in evidence-based communication between scientists and practitioners. "I think we should be open to ideas on how to close the gap on beliefs about repressed memory from both clinicians and researchers," Patihis says.


No conclusive evidence that repressed memory is valid is the default position I think. How do we prove it exists?
This is the generally accepted method of the practitioners that you are seeking:



Alternatively, you could just accept that the scientists actually looked for a repressed memory quite a lot before they got bored due to the lack of them existing. They also cleverly noticed that it is part of a highly silly theory of how the human mind works that has already been thoroughly proven to not actually have anything to do with how the mind actually works in actual living humans.

The shorter answer is that you prove it exists in the same manner as you'd prove that unicorns exist or that Albuquerque exists.
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Old 10-07-2018, 11:00 AM   #4
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

Yeah, but rhinoceroses are observable.
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:51 AM   #5
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

Oh, silly me, I had almost forgotten that I have unicorns in my house. They look like plain horses from across the room.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:23 PM   #6
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

I have had at least two repressed memory experiences. Upon looking into the issues further, evidence (other people) validated the accuracy of both memories. Based upon the definitions I'm seeing for repressed memory my experience would qualify. These were upsetting memories I did not think about and appear to have totally forgotten about for several years+, only to rather randomly have them uncovered, one them being triggered by the environment and the other coming to my head without any seeming cause- though both occurred during a period of time in which I was thinking about the past much more than normal.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:38 PM   #7
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I have had at least two repressed memory experiences. Upon looking into the issues further, evidence (other people) validated the accuracy of both memories. Based upon the definitions I'm seeing for repressed memory my experience would qualify. These were upsetting memories I did not think about and appear to have totally forgotten about for several years+, only to rather randomly have them uncovered, one them being triggered by the environment and the other coming to my head without any seeming cause- though both occurred during a period of time in which I was thinking about the past much more than normal.
That sounds like regular memories. Repressed memories don't (if they existed) come back randomly. They come back only after you pay a shrink for at least 8 sessions.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:56 PM   #8
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

i think it probably has lots of merit in theory.

but i get the feeling it's being abused.

just this recent kavanaugh hearing, the ramirez woman from Yale needed help remembering exactly what happened. but did she actually eventually remember or was the memory created by consultants? i think the latter ........ note: i think that ramirez incident probably happened as she says (but only because others have told her and strong circumstantial evidence.. not sure where those witnesses are now)

i didn't mean to get political (and i think my view is balanced)... basically mentioned it because it is newsworthy right.

or is drunken memory (she was probably almost passed out) not repressed memory?
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:00 PM   #9
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

if you want a good laugh, google brice taylor (repressed memory) ......... Sex slave of Bob Hope, Henry Kissinger, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Dean Martin, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon plus many others. all of course orchaestrated by CIA.

and respected universities have her as guest/speaker as if her story is true. just the math on her story is daunting in so many ways.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:30 AM   #10
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i think it probably has lots of merit in theory.

but i get the feeling it's being abused.

just this recent kavanaugh hearing, the ramirez woman from Yale needed help remembering exactly what happened. but did she actually eventually remember or was the memory created by consultants? i think the latter ........ note: i think that ramirez incident probably happened as she says (but only because others have told her and strong circumstantial evidence.. not sure where those witnesses are now)

i didn't mean to get political (and i think my view is balanced)... basically mentioned it because it is newsworthy right.

or is drunken memory (she was probably almost passed out) not repressed memory?
That was also normal memories. We don't have a DVD recorder installed in our heads.
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:24 AM   #11
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

Sensory memory, short-term memory, long-term memory...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory

What's normal memory?
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:22 AM   #12
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That sounds like regular memories. Repressed memories don't (if they existed) come back randomly. They come back only after you pay a shrink for at least 8 sessions.
Not sure if you're joking but I'm sure my 1-2x/week therapy had something to do with it just as far as making me think about the past and some struggles I've had. I don't see how I would have been in a state to access these memories otherwise. IDK though
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:10 PM   #13
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Re: Researchers and Practitioners Disagree on Repressed Memory

From Harvard Magazine so it must be true:


repressed-memory.html

I recall all those 1980's court cases (usually about sex abuse) - it caused quite a stir and much hoopla and wild circus acts and decisions in US Courts throughout the land. I also think Satan was involved in a few.
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