I'm reading a fascinating book with this title, which lays out the scientific evidence for racial differences and discusses their consequences for human politics and culture. It seems that a growing number of scholars are saying "the emperor has no clothes" to the current PC consensus on race, which is not based on anything other than pure politics and wishful thinking. I just wanted to put this out there because I think this issue is so important for the future of human civilization. Note that the book generally gives Asians the highest marks on most scales, blacks the lowest, with whites falling somewhere in between. This is a shocking book that presents information that desperately needs to be more widely discussed. It seems to confirm what most of us already suspect intuitively but have been browbeaten into rejecting by our modern thought police.

I have no knowledge on this subject, but let's assume that what you say is correct. What do we do about it?

Right well that's probably a question for the politics forum. Obviously if the book is correct then the entire Western multicultural project of the past several decades is based on false assumptions and would need to be rolled back. This may not be possible in the current political environment. Note also that if this book is correct, then Asia will totally dominate the planet soon. It may be that Asia's rise and the West's collapse is what it will take for us to reorganize around more reality-based foundations than our current ones...

any answer other than "nothing" is insane and ****ed up (and immoral). You are actually advocating a political stance that involves discriminating against races that you deem are genetically inferior and wholesale restructuring of the world to one centered around racial inequality?

And what is this Western multicultural project anyway? You mean we should stop attempts to end racial discrimination?

Plus, today's racial/PC climate isn't (necessarily) centered around the idea that all races are exactly equal, it is centered around the idea that regardless of what differences may or may not exist, it is morally wrong to discriminate against a person because of the racial classification they were born into. So the idea that discovering that there actually are differences between races should lead to any kind of action on anyone's part is ludicrous. It is still immoral to discriminate based on race.

You should probably be a bit clearer about what Rushton in fact does lay out.

Can you name some of these "scholars"? What do they base their opinion on?

Do you think science proceeds from a "PC" consensus? How does it do this and why?


Yes, it's certainly important that racists do not feel justified by spurious pseudoscience.


He didn't include penis size?

On the one hand, the vast majority of biologists and anthropologists and the weight of scientific evidence.

On the other, some dude who confirms your prejudices.

It would be way too tiresome to explain what is wrong with his hypothesis and where his methodology is flawed, because let's face it, you're not interested in facts, just confirmation of what you already believe.

LOL well I guess you don't take science very seriously then, or you only choose to act on scientific evidence selectively. Note that to accept "racist science" does not make you a "hater", it simply makes you someone who is willing to face up to unpleasant and unpopular truths. Maybe you aren't in that category at the moment; most people aren't. Climate change suffers from a similar problem -- if the consequences of scientific evidence are too horrible to contemplate, people tend to just ignore it and continue with their comforting illusions.

Here's the summary from Amazon just to give you an idea of what the book covers:

Why?

EDIT: Actually you sort of answered that:

I have no idea what the "Western multicultural project" is and what we need to roll back. Obv the views people have on race right now are 1000X better (in the US which I take to be a big part of the West) than what was common 50 years ago... so "roll back" is NOT a phrase that makes any sense here. So what specifically do you want rolled back? Are we talking laws (civil rights?) or something else?

Lol WTF? This is pretty insane/stupid. Why did Asians not simply "dominate the planet" from the start?

Funny. I am a huge skeptic of anthro-climate change and feel the same way as your scholars who proclaim 'the emperor has no clothes.' about the 'consensus' on climate change.

Notice how virtually every headline about climate change and skeptics of climate change involves the percentage of scientists who believe in it; while few people even realize the primary evidence is computer models that don't agree with each other.

Anyway, I digress. It makes common sense there are genetic differences between races that have marginal effects on utility.

However, I think beyond being able to say something like this in a room full of democrats without being assaulted there is little benefit to this line of thinking. Even if it were shown conclusively true asians have 5% higher IQ on average and blacks are 10% stronger on average.. what do you do? Create black only football leagues so it's more fair to whites?

Zero competent people "realize" this because it isn't true... but that's for another thread.

Simply scientific racism. Works on easily gullible people.

Behavior is learned, not passed on through genetics. Asians don't have a genetic disposition to beat their wives and black people aren't missing a gene that would make them better at using chopsticks.

The entire premise is absurd.

Yes well I want to live in a civilization where I don't have to live in fear of being assaulted for speaking the truth, don't you? It's so clear to me that Eurasian civilization is under massive demographic threat now, and in an evolutionary sense this seems like a negative development. The problem is, our current ideology has disarmed us, and forces us to accede to our own demise. I don't want to live in Zimbabwe or a global melting pot, do you? Why has the West embarked on this suicidal course? I don't get it at all.

Note that I say all this as one who has travelled the world, and is not some ignorant hillbilly. I guess I was just very shocked when I travelled to Western European cities and felt like I had been transported to the Middle East or Africa. This affected me deeply, and made me realize just how insane our globalized world is. Note that places like Russia and China did not give me this feeling, only Western countries. To me, the modern West is an utterly insane and unsustainable civilization, heading for collapse.

One more thing that i think I can speak to pretty well here.

I'm Asian, so I have some background in this area. There is this stereotype that Asians are very studious and "smart". This is absolutely not true. We are "smart" because it's literally beaten into us as children. Education and dedication to a task are looked upon as good goals/traits.

My girlfriend is Chinese. She told me a story about how her mother taught her how to do math as a child. She would get a ruler and ask her questions, and everytime she got a question wrong, she would hit her in the hands with the ruler. She said it terrified her and made her cry but made her learn how to do it. I looked at her for a second and said "I thought my mom was the only one who ever did that" and we both started cracking up.

There is nothing inherently that makes Asians "smart". Its just a typical mentality in our cultures. My parents wouldn't even let me play sports because they thought it was a waste of time. They would much rather see us studying and become, in their eyes, successful. This puts immense pressure on us to do well in school. Not doing well in school and becoming successful professionally is looked upon as a failure and as an embarassment. While this may seem all well and good from the outside, it causes deep internal stresses, hence why you hear about Japanese and Korean kids killing themselves because of the enormous pressure to do well in school. It has its major drawbacks and can be downright unhealthy mentally.

I'm also friends with some Jewish kids and they happen to echo the same sentiments about the pressure to do well in school and for higher education. I tend to see these ideas float more in these 2 cultures in particular, moreso than in others. Its not surprising to me that I typically see both these groups score high in these "studies".

My point is if you had a bunch of African Americans and brought them up in this same culture, I'm sure you would see the same results. So, once again, I'm saying the entire premise is absurd.

You are a racist not because you look at a theory/paper/whatever that suggests there might be actual differences in race. You are a racist because other races bother you.

I am not sure what you mean that eurasian civilization is under massive demographic threat? Threat of what.. being taken over by a lesser species.. are you kidding me? What is the solution? Tell the good races to **** more and not use birth control?

There very well may be (very likely in my naive opinion) be measurable differences in different aptitudes in different races; but I don't think that *justifies anything.*

I do agree that the modern west is unsustainable and heading for collapse; but not because of immigrants.

I would never support the obfuscation or hiding of a scientific fact because of some predicted outcome of the fact getting out; the power structure that has to be in place for that to happen is necessarily bad. But thoughts like you have.. that's scary.

You should look into taking out certain undesireable traits in the gene pool. Maybe all ******ed, crippled, genetically inferior people should be taken out so that we can flourish, in an evolutionary sense, of course.

While we're at it, we should take over the Rhineland.

LOLz.... it is hard to even take you seriously anymore. The last 1000 years of human history has been marked by constant warfare with people that look different/live someplace else. The fact that modern western societies are coming to realize that this is totally irrational due to in part to the "globalized world" is one of the most positive sociological developments in human history.

I recommend "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. Does an excellent job of both debunking race myths and tracing the political and economic consequences of the myths.

Not sure why you care, but the answer is more sex.

This is exactly what the nuns in parochial schools in the Bronx did to us in the 1950's if we screwed up our lessons, and it was completely with the parent's consent.



This....

There was a fairly popular book written by a UCLA anthropologist named Jared Diamond called Guns, Germs and Steel that investigated these topics such as why did the europeans led by Cortez sail across the Atlantic and conquer the Aztecs and not the other way around.

He actually came to the interesting conclusion that the native tribesmen of New Guinea were the most mentally adroit sub-group on the planet. His claim was they became that way as an evolutionary response to their need to survive in an extremely challenging environment since New Guinea has few mammals as a source of protein or as beasts of burden and few indigenous plants capable of being cultivated.

His book was made into a 3 part pbs series and one can read the overview or the entire transcripts here:

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/show/episode1.html

I think you may have misplaced a decimal place or two in your short description of human history.

I also think that you overestimate the extent to which the realization you mention has occurred. I am not denying that strides have been made.

even if it were true then not being racist will make it false fairly quickly.

But globalization would still be a good thing.

I agree completely with you that things are better than they were, and that globalization is a large part of the positive changes. War has strangely helped as well. It is hard to hate someone who fought along side you for the same goal.*

I am just not confident that we will achieve more than we have.

*of course, nationalism is not any better/different than racism as far as irrationality goes.

I guess I am just more optimistic than you.

Either way if the OP sees western civilization on the verge of collapse now, he would have been soiling himself for most of the 20th century with 2 world wars, the creation of nuclear weapons, Stalin killing millions, communist expansionism etc. Thinking "multiculturalism" will be the final death blow and will have a bigger impact than all of those things is pretty lol.

Dead on except if you're op and civilization means life without people you dont like because you're a racist. Multiculturalism will destroy that.