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10-22-2018 , 12:28 AM
A female German physics Phd gives modern day physicists a hard time for emphasizing "beauty" in constructing new theories; theories that so far seem not up to snuff. Read the book and tell me if she knows what she is talking about.
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10-22-2018 , 04:06 PM
See Paul Dirac about beauty in Mathematics, which is essential in physics and constructing physical theories of the universe.


I am too busy reading other books presently to consider adding to the pile.
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10-22-2018 , 04:31 PM
Review of mentioned book published by the MAA (Mathematical Association of America):

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10-23-2018 , 07:58 PM
Just a little bit more to kill it (time and other sacred things). It is happening as i predicted it. The house of cards is over. Degeometrization is inevitable.

But before the reframing that will explain QM there will be a discovery that will connect dark matter, antimatter, the first second , the quark gluon plasma in regions not probed yet by collisions (but getting there) and the interior of all black holes. It will also use a lot of probability theory for fun and explain the issues we have with essential random walk concepts and weak interactions will be at the heart of it. Also watch out for continued understanding of super nuclear density conditions. This is where it begins to make sense finally and completely terminate the black hole information paradox the only way it deserved ie by all being wrong about it and by Hawking radiation calculation requiring a revisit in its details.

Dark matter and antimatter matter asymmetry are explained by the same effect and probability theory.


Hint in the meantime; watch out for results from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KATRIN regarding neutrino masses and other properties and any reactions involving neutrinos in the first second.

Last edited by masque de Z; 10-23-2018 at 08:04 PM.
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10-23-2018 , 08:00 PM
Zeno

Can you please delete the post number 4 and this one here as well. I edited a typo that prevented my post from having a funny mistake lol
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10-24-2018 , 01:46 AM
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At various points Hossenfelder makes it clear that her worry is that physicists are getting stuck due to outdated notions of “beauty”, while at the same time she still believes that successful new ideas will come with their own new form of “beauty”.
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10-24-2018 , 01:16 PM
Of course. There are many beautiful theories that are completely wrong. You can't find truth by looking for beauty, but you can see beauty in the truth once you find it.

Supposedly an audio cd release is schedules for Dec 4, maybe audible will have it by then. Not much time to read for me, but lots of time driving when I could listen to this.
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10-24-2018 , 02:46 PM
I've read the book, it's a decent read. Sabine (pronounced Sabin-eh) Hossenfelder is very upset w/ modern theoretical physics which she believes in 'stuck' in want of a better word. That is the reason that I recommend Brian Greene's 'The Fabric of the Cosmos' w/ it's 2004 copyright date when someone asks for a good book on the topic since not much has changed since then and he treats the Higgs as a certainty.

She's particularly upset w/ String theory (more properly M-theory but no one uses it) bec all it is a mathematical construct that hasn't made a single testable prediction and for which no evidence is found: no hint of super-symmetry or partner particles from the LHC and some of the people she interviews that are still supportive (there are many notables in the book) are left hoping that a higher energy run will reveal them. Once that doesn't happen who knows what the field does. That review calls her fearless and funny but she comes across as angry.

She recently co-authored a SciAm article in which it is claimed that, since not a single hint of what dark matter consists of has been found, perhaps the problem is w/ gravity itself and that 'modified gravity' should be looked into.
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10-24-2018 , 03:22 PM
Of course modified gravity has been looked into. I recently watched a video where the presenter claims it is empirically excluded. I'll try to find this later...
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10-24-2018 , 03:26 PM
You read too many books and other subversive material, Howard. I'm reporting you to the authorities. Soon you will be corralled into The Gulag for re-education on what is proper thinking and what is proper reading material. You can't take your dog. He too, is suspect.

They will come very early in the morning - about 3 am is a reasonable guess. If you burn all your books now there will be less evidence against you and your re-education in The Gulag may be reduced. Or not.

You have been warned.
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10-24-2018 , 05:01 PM
It's important to remember that if reality and beauty conflict then it's reality that is mistaken.
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10-24-2018 , 06:05 PM
The key is to look at nature from a variety of "angles" and see the clues gradually emerge and some common themes and not hesitate to abandon even the most precious part of the present day theories always aware that the birth of the next theory often happens after sacrificing something important in the old one. But of course you do that because you are a proper skeptic not because revolution if your objective.

Also you need clarity in all your education, no holes or semitruths or incomplete education.

You cannot cut corners.

Universities today do not have as objective to bring to life the next Einstein or Feynman.


I propose to one of these morons with dozens of billions to create a prototype university-company with 1-2-10 bil cost that has as objective to accept members from the best students of all the planet and offer them a contract; (say even 1000 to 10000 people, as it grows make it 100000 or i propose to idiot companies like Google etc to expand their academic level education programs - ie become also universities to any topic in amazing detail for decades for each employee).

You get education in all topics you decide to master from the very beginning of the topic historically until current top research results as part of daily classes with homework. For example QM. You start from all experiments of 19th century and early 20th and gradually study all the major papers published in detail as the math evolves. Then you move to 1920s and do the same from how the theory was developed and why. Then you start solving problems with it expanding in all directions of applications from basic perturbation theory to very advanced techniques in scattering and advanced complicated perturbation methods even and even statistical mechanics etc all involved. Only then you move to field theory etc.

That way you study QM over a decade even in endless classes until you have become so strong you can complete calculations in any idea you have easily.

No present university offers such path to wisdom. NONE. They give you even at the best schools the 1/100 of the real thing. They make sure you have endless crutches in your understanding.

The deal now is after they accept you in that system, they give you classes for over 30 years in all topics you decide as described above. Constant education 6h per day with homework every week. At the same time you are assigned to groups that try to solve simple important world problems in applications. Doable things that simply take good brains collaborating. That way the "students" age while knowing they are productive to the company with their work and the reward the company offers is endless systematic education and employment at the level of 100k per year just to study and occasionally solve easy problems with application to world economy from which you receive benefits if the market embraces well.

The system will produce amazing and happy brains without the bs politics and endless self promoting ahole papers that go nowhere, its a promise.
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10-24-2018 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
You read too many books and other subversive material, Howard. I'm reporting you to the authorities. Soon you will be corralled into The Gulag for re-education on what is proper thinking and what is proper reading material. You can't take your dog. He too, is suspect.

They will come very early in the morning - about 3 am is a reasonable guess. If you burn all your books now there will be less evidence against you and your re-education in The Gulag may be reduced. Or not.

You have been warned.
Heh. What these ppl don't know is that I've learned enough to hook my house up to a warp 9 drive and I'll hit them w/ my photon torpedoes on my way out.

On a bit of a serious note I don't know what to do w/ all of these books. It's no use donating them to Goodwill bec I doubt there's a market, I don't want to throw them away and I'm at a loss. I think I'm going to find a used book seller and see what they're willing to buy.
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10-24-2018 , 07:16 PM
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10-24-2018 , 09:54 PM
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Heh. What these ppl don't know is that I've learned enough to hook my house up to a warp 9 drive and I'll hit them w/ my photon torpedoes on my way out.

On a bit of a serious note I don't know what to do w/ all of these books. It's no use donating them to Goodwill bec I doubt there's a market, I don't want to throw them away and I'm at a loss. I think I'm going to find a used book seller and see what they're willing to buy.
You could sell them on amazon.
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10-24-2018 , 10:13 PM
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You could sell them on amazon.
That sounds like work, a word we don't use in my house.
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10-26-2018 , 05:51 PM
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11-03-2018 , 12:36 PM
The author has a blog, which is interesting to read, even not knowing much at all about the physics. The comments section add some lols to the educational potential also.
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