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02-15-2018 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LOVELOVELOVE
Why do you believe a harder game is more rewarding? I'll never understand that! Have you seen a Zen Monk? He literally stands there in joy regardless of what is happening around him. There is no striving for anything, there is nothing to prove, there is no struggle, there is no feeling of trying to control everything, no need to play stupid games of one-up man ship and I would argue nothing to do.
I don't disagree with you.

Asking questions.
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02-15-2018 , 11:45 PM
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I would argue an empty nothing and no thing would be a better state of affairs.
Theres no lovelovelove in nothingness, theres not even love.
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02-16-2018 , 12:24 AM
Nothingness is like the future.

It exists as a point of reference. Not as an actuality.

In actuality there is only something and only the present.
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02-16-2018 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by citamgine
Theres no lovelovelove in nothingness, theres not even love.
Yes I know. (what is your point?)
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02-16-2018 , 05:54 AM
Given your username would it be far fetched to assume that you hold love in high esteem? It is strange to see someone, who appears to hold something in high regard, speak of nothing as a better alternative.
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02-16-2018 , 06:05 AM
I don't hold it in high regard. It's just a username.
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02-16-2018 , 06:12 AM
What is your argument for nothing? Do you feel it only pertinent to your circumstance or do you think it would be better for all?
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02-16-2018 , 06:14 AM
I obviously can't speak for all people. But it is obvious to anyone that if nobody existed then there can be no suffering.
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02-16-2018 , 06:29 AM
There also could not be anything else. No experience whatsoever. To say that the absence of suffering outweighs anything and everything you must assign value. I dont think humans are in a position to accurately assign that value for anyone but themselves.

You experience more suffering than you do enjoyment? Has something happened to you? Can you imagine any version of your life which would tip the scale in the other direction?
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02-16-2018 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by citamgine

You experience more suffering than you do enjoyment? Has something happened to you? Can you imagine any version of your life which would tip the scale in the other direction?
What do you mean "enjoyment?"
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02-16-2018 , 06:41 AM
Happiness, pleasure chose any antonym of suffering. Or whatever you define for yourself to be the opposite of suffering.
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02-16-2018 , 06:55 AM
I don't have the knowledge to give such an answer to your first question. I don't know what would tip the scale in the other direction.
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02-16-2018 , 07:06 AM
Find it.
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02-16-2018 , 07:07 AM
What do you mean? How would I find it?
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02-16-2018 , 07:15 AM
Explore. Fumble around. Search until you find something (or someone) that tips the scale.
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02-16-2018 , 07:16 AM
That is a very vague answer.

Last edited by LOVELOVELOVE; 02-16-2018 at 07:19 AM. Reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sruEnQ9HkU
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02-16-2018 , 07:19 PM
Beer is a good start.

Single malt scotch - even better.
Have a few.
See how you feel.

Further to this...why do you value the avoidance of suffering?

Honorable mention: Citamgine used the perfect words - "fumble around".
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02-17-2018 , 06:04 AM
I've had bad experiences with drink. My dad was a raging alcoholic and used to hit on us.

I don't like pain and that is why I avoid suffering.
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02-17-2018 , 06:46 AM
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I've had bad experiences with drink. My dad was a raging alcoholic and used to hit on us.

I don't like pain and that is why I avoid suffering.
Legit.

Is all suffering equal?

What's the worst?
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02-18-2018 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Legit.

Is all suffering equal?

What's the worst?
No I don't think all suffering is equal.
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02-19-2018 , 05:28 PM
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No I don't think all suffering is equal.
Being tortured would rate pretty highly in terms of suffering, i'd imagine.

Since, for the most part, torture is now illegal and less common than 1000 years ago, would you consider this progress?

What about revenge-killings as well? due to the establishment of the modern justice system. Far less common these days.

These 2 examples of progress or not?

I believe, through careful consideration, what you'll find is that the value - avoidance of suffering - implies a goal. Namely, how do we best reduce or avoid suffering. In other words, it implies a trajectory for progress.

This is somewhat problematic and incongruent if you find equal virtue in what the Buddhist monk does with his life.

This is particularly problematic if you also believe that the only way to progress is for all life to end.

Last edited by VeeDDzz`; 02-19-2018 at 05:48 PM.
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02-20-2018 , 11:00 AM
1. Moving toward a better state of affairs?
Overall or individually?

2. An ending/death?
Not necessarily. First define death. An ending may be appropriate in some cases. It would be better if you knew you were playing a game- a notice when you are born that you are playing a game and a vague recollection of a continuance of being after the ending.

If 1 is true for individuals then why would anyone want it to end? If 1 is only true overall then an ending may be necessary to spare an individual from continuing the game eternally in suffering mode. Or simply for novelty purposes i.e. to change characters.

3. Highly challenging opponents/problems?
Yes, but this is contingent on awareness of game play. If there is no awareness then one should be free to attain anything they want within the limits of knowledge of in-game availability. Then they could enter into sub-games where they can find challenging opponents/problems without the perceived extreme consequences.

4. Free agency?
Yes.

5. Strong differences between good and bad?
Yes.

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I read this as, "Would life/the game be better IF it involved:"
instead of how it was originally intended as
"Would life/the game be more interesting to you IF it involved:"

I'll leave my response anyway. I dislike scary movies so i dont find them as interesting as others. But they keep my attention while im in the middle of watching.

Last edited by citamgine; 02-20-2018 at 11:22 AM.
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02-20-2018 , 05:44 PM
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1. Moving toward a better state of affairs?
Overall or individually?
Your answer would be different if it's one and not the other?
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2. An ending/death?
Not necessarily. First define death. An ending may be appropriate in some cases. It would be better if you knew you were playing a game- a notice when you are born that you are playing a game and a vague recollection of a continuance of being after the ending.

If 1 is true for individuals then why would anyone want it to end? If 1 is only true overall then an ending may be necessary to spare an individual from continuing the game eternally in suffering mode. Or simply for novelty purposes i.e. to change characters.
Good answer. However, even if 1 is only true for individuals, you may still get bored of the same old game of self-improvement. Say, you can keep improving eternally and you eventually become god-like, where every next improvement takes longer and longer. What then? Start the game again? Make a new game?

I can't define death in any meaningful way for you because I don't see it the way you might. I'm leaving it open for you to define it however you like and offer whatever answer as a result.
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3. Highly challenging opponents/problems?
Yes, but this is contingent on awareness of game play. If there is no awareness then one should be free to attain anything they want within the limits of knowledge of in-game availability. Then they could enter into sub-games where they can find challenging opponents/problems without the perceived extreme consequences.
What do you mean by "awareness of gameplay"? Does life seem like something more to you, than "just a game"? Are games somehow inferior or lesser than life to you? Is life a serious state of affairs? Thinking on it more, I should have included this last question in the thread as well.
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EDIT:
I read this as, "Would life/the game be better IF it involved:"
instead of how it was originally intended as
"Would life/the game be more interesting to you IF it involved:"

I'll leave my response anyway. I dislike scary movies so i dont find them as interesting as others. But they keep my attention while im in the middle of watching.
I think many people read it that way unfortunately.

Thread titled - Questions of Interest. Too subtle perhaps.
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02-21-2018 , 10:58 AM
I'll ask again, has something happened to you to cause this outlook?

If there is nothing in particular that you can point to, do you think there could be an undiagnosed physiological or psychological problem contributing to your disdain for life?
Have you gone to a neurologist/psychologist?

Have you tried switching your idea of what life is about from "problems and how best to solve them" to "enjoyment"? If you choose for your life to be all about problems....
then your life will be all about problems.
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02-21-2018 , 05:06 PM
Disdain for life?

Psychological problems?

Life all about problems?

I'll address the last of these. It somewhat covers the rest. If I thought that my life was all about problems would I have just 1 question in this thread or as many as there is?

I'm asking questions I'm genuinely interested to know the answers to. My own perspective may sometimes intervene. I apologise for that.

Last edited by VeeDDzz`; 02-21-2018 at 05:27 PM.
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