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and it is my understanding NASA's budget for the current fiscal year is approximately $19 billion. Which is an indication of how difficult it is for them to fund additional trips to the moon.

I have concluded that Donnicolo is not interested in knowledge but in pseudo knowledge.

LOL Wp.

donniccolo. I´m beginning to see that you really believe that man hasn´t been on the moon. That has to be close to a religious belief.

wow. i'm the one being compared to religion when you're the ones who believe in something you cannot prove!! that makes me

in reality, we are simply going to keep going back and forth, considering you cannot walk on the moon to prove to me that it happened, and i cannot prove to you that it didn't happen because for whatever reason, you are inclined to believe whatever NASA/US Govt tells you.

obv NASA/Religion are always correct about everything they say or do. thinking that either a religious organization or a government entity would ever lie to the masses is just preposterous!

let me try to put it another way:

ask yourself this: why do you believe man has walked on the moon?

let's walk through it--

your answer is most likely this: "because that is what i learned in school" or "because that is what my parents told me" or "because that is what NASA told me" or "because nearly everyone else believes that". help me if i'm missing some.

for those of you using money as a crutch - please stop. to think that the US gov't would nix their entire Apollo moon program with 3 missions still remaining because they didn't have enough money is laughable! if you buy into their story up until 1972, the US was in the midst of creating the most technologically advanced equipment in the history of human kind (in just 8 years... using 1960s technology!) $20b ($170b inflation adjusted) to a country that literally prints money with no regard for anything is not a reason to discontinue the most ground breaking achievement of all time.

since the 7 Apollo missions between 1969-1972, how many times has man travelled outside of low earth orbit? (leo = 100-1,200 miles above earth) the answer is 0.

how far away is the moon? avg distance is about 240,000 miles from earth.

so, from 1969-1972 using 60s technology developed in 8 years from scratch usa lands 6 times on the moon 240,000 miles away and return to earth. the most incredible feat in the history of humankind using the most incredible technology (saturn V rockets, moon lander, space suit, etc) ever developed and nothing is a close 2nd.

1973-2010 - ?

at what point will you start to use your brain to think instead of just insisting your parents/teachers couldn't have been wrong? maybe in the year 2069 when the world is celebrating the 100 year anniversary of a feat that still hasn't been replicated?

from the tone of some of you, i doubt you'll ever realize that it is a possibility that i am correct that man has not been to the moon. its sad that you don't keep an open mind and that you can be 100% certain of something you cannot prove. that is where we differ. i realize that there's a chance they pulled it off but i feel that it is far more likely that they did not.

So money really grows on trees? Wow, that's far more believable than some story about astronauts walking on the moon.

Which is one reason I helped create it.



-Zeno

I guess it feels good to believe one is among the chosen ones. I have never managed to fool myself in that way for longer times (i think).

So you admit your googlelunarxprize thing demonstrated nothing?

Also, how do you know anything about science or history? Who do you trust?

Finally, do you remember reading any posts directed towards you in this very thread? How can you possibly conclude that we're the ones not thinking when you continue to post the same illogical, misleading, nonfactual rubbish?

Donniccolo, it appears you think that one can disprove the moon landings by just using thought experiments. I wonder if you've ever attempted to gather evidence in an objective fashion. If so, you would find that the evidence for the moon landings is severely overwhelming the evidence against.

I can concoct any scenario in our everyday lives which noone can be 100% certain of (IE: Are we living in a computer simulation, and in reality our bodies are ruled by a race of special unicorns who have three genitalia each). If I made such a claim, the burden of proof would certainly fall on me - you cannot expect people to 'open their minds' about believing such a minute possibility as "the moon landings were faked".

The burden of proof lies completely on you, my friend.

(and if you don't think so, then the method by which you calibrate your judgements towards this particular topic is flawed.)


Oh and something about the moon landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0&feature=fvw

This show is for kids, but it may give you some idea of how you should be approaching and testing your claims.

By the way - the most likely answer as to why we haven't sent people that far since the original bunch of moon visits : It's just not good business, because there's nothing out there that we can't get back home. (Its also pretty dangerous - didn't you watch Apollo 13?)

Nobody from Europe would have gone back to the Americas if they had found a barren desert - probably some would end up doubting the first voyages ever happened.

and its not very interesting. my parents generation still talk in awe about the original moon landings, the whole world was watching. Now, because every sane person has no serious doubt that its already been done we might not even notice if they did it again.

Cool video. Love the most upvoted comment though.

A conventional explanation to do with exposure times and contrast seems to escape him, although it lies very close at hand. Surely people with imaginations creative enough to dream up these plots could also find more mundane reasoning which fits the observations.

So are these people led to believe in a conspiracy, or do they want to believe in a conspiracy?

Is there anything donniccolo could do to prove he has been to Columbus?

I suggest reading this short essay by Lawrence M. Krauss found in the September Issue of Scientific American:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ng-dangerously

Excerpt from the above article:


"I hereby wish to bestow my Worst Abusers of Quantum Mechanics for Fun and Profit (but Mostly Profit) award on the following:

Deepak Chopra: I have read numerous pieces by him on why quantum mechanics provides rationales for everything from the existence of God to the possibility of changing the past. Nothing I have ever read, however, suggests he has enough understanding of quantum mechanics to pass an undergraduate course I might teach on the subject.

The Secret: This best-selling book, which spawned a self-help industry, seems to be built in part on the claim that quantum physics implies a “law of attraction” that suggests good thoughts will make good things happen. It doesn’t.

Transcendental meditation: TMers argue that they can fly by achieving a “lower quantum-mechanical ground state” and that the more people who practice TM, the less violent the world will become. This last idea at least is in accord with quantum mechanics, to the extent that if everyone on the planet did nothing but meditate there wouldn’t be time for violence (or acts of kindness, either).

For the record: Quantum mechanics does not deny the existence of objective reality. Nor does it imply that mere thoughts can change external events. Effects still require causes, so if you want to change the universe, you need to act on it.

Feynman once said, “Science is imagination in a straitjacket.” It is ironic that in the case of quantum mechanics, the people without the straitjackets are generally the nuts. "

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Thanks for the article Zeno.
I've always thought that Deepak Chopra was the most talented new age pranksters that we have.

The thing is, when Deepak talks about 'quantum' he is using the word metaphorically, poetically even. It's the damned scientists who nicked his word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FaXD_igv4

For those of you that felt like a lot was missing from this purposed timeline and facts of U.S. and Soviet space programs here are a couple convenient resources which are backed up by sources:

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/es...lunar/SP21.htm

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/chron...moon_race.html

I found this part of the chronology interesting considering some of the later fringe posts about Soviets behind ahead*:

The second link is also interesting as you can see donniccolo was unaware of the nine NASA Ranger missions the U.S. launched before attempting to send manned missions to the moon. Given his disposition one can see how it might be easier to buy into the lunar hoax phenomenon The first six Ranger missions failed and the following missions succeeded each getting better, here is more detail on that if interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranger_program

Finally, I saw another post where someone actually linked Mr. Cosnette's website from 2001. Mythbusters did a fine enough job debunking similar claims but here is a more detailed debunking of Mr. Cosnette specifically if you want to see it:
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....-Dave-Cosnette

*I actually found this while looking up an explosion I remembered reading about in a Time/Life series about the space race that took out many Soviet scientists during a test launch, it may well be the explosion talked about in the link and such a loss of personnel would have been devastating to the program.

It's possible that we will see the backwards of a star explosion that is flying away from us faster than speed of light? At any time in our human history was perceived a noticeable slower movement of anything in space because we are traveling away from it?

*bump btw

Does pharmacy industry shutdown research of medicine that would be cheaper?

I've seen venom industry do that, even to the prejudice of the quality and production of the food. Would like to know if there is notice of this being done on this area also...

It wouldn´t be cheaper before their patent of the developed medicine expires. The company can choose wich price they set.

No.

Yeah you are correct.

What I was thinking was related to buying to stop the research or to not disclose the results of a third party research.

Probably, yes. A main virtue of capitalism.

What is the a priori probability of the ratio of the diameter of sun and moon being within 0.05 of the ratio of the distance from the earth of sun and moon?

Moon:
diameter: 3.474E3 km
distance: 3.65E5 km

Sun:
diameter: 1.392E6 km
distance: 1.496E8 km

Moon diameter/Sun diameter = 2.50E-3
Moon distance/Sun distance = 2.44E-3

For the moon distance from earth I took a mean of the perigee and apogee.