Didn't reads whole thread, but as of now I remain unsure. If we can somehow prove that time is discrete/non-continuous then I would find it more convincing that reality could be a simulation. Although right now it would be hard to believe that a simulation could exist which required infinite amounts of data to generate.

Lol. This is getting a bit too long and fragmented a conversation even for me. I know about cultural relativity and am a cultural relativist (I even consider how dogs think about things such as fairness). There are some things that are not the subject of opinion (how the brain physically works*, whether something is empirically false, whether the earth is flat, whether homeopathy is fraud, whether we can tell whether Fishnoob is making crap up) even though people have "opinions" on such things.

Pi is an irrational number and fits into rational abstract thought. Completely different thing than what anyone is talking about here. You might as well have brought up top and bottom quarks in a discussion of sexual preferences.

In an effort to be culturally fair, I asked my 1/2 Thai, 1/2 Mexican attractive upstairs neighbor to read over the things you have variously typed. My take is more kind.

And, yes, I know that people have subjective views of who they are (another way of saying ego). Those aren't the abstractions. Those are simply objective facts about those specific people.

*it is not filled with EM energy!!! It would be easier to build a brain if it was!!!

Please explain what you are saying when you are speculating that time is "discrete and non continuous".

There is a great book I just read by Alan Watts Become What You Are and in that book he describes what I feel is a good description of what I'm talking about.

But I think BTM2 called it a few posts ago a trapped observer and I would go on to say a trapped observer, (the thinker of thoughts, the doer of doing) is confronted with the hostile environment, which is all that is not the trapped observer and is in fierce competition with it for resources or trying to control it and thus feels alienated, forgetting that he/she is also part of the environment and in a non-dualistic way.

Very disappointing and depressing picture.

You should just put your * in brackets as I do. 'i even think about how dogs think.....' Well done, dogs deserve empathy. I love dogs.

How the brain works is subject to opinion unless in the last couple of months someone has actually figured an indisputable proven model with a list and descriptions of its components function, of how the brain physically works. I know there is knowledge on what part of the brain does what, and they (scientists) are just now starting to scratch the surface on looking at neuronal structure (the future is in computational game theory- the neurons are pretty much playing a game of evolution and this relates to things like nor adrenaline ect),,,,but my abstract theories are miles ahead in terms of how that equates to an observable reality. This follows a trend that I get abstract theory or create model in game theory platform- then I discover somewhere it has been shown/proven already or smarter people are finding more comprehensive logics for same theory.

The brain having EM energy as part of it's function is not my idea I have created abstractly, everybody knows about brain waves and action potentials. A dead non functional brain has no EM energy than that which is there 'naturally' (or by default). I have different constructed agreed models from various schools (not extensive but I trust conclusive statements that I am taught by experts) and I can put them together like a puzzle because I have some weird ass autism or drug induced/poker induced over worked platform in my cognition for doing these things. The outcome of that puzzle is the only thing that may seem bizarre.

Pi is abstract. A circle is abstract. 3.14......... to whatever number you can get computed is not abstract. But 'Pi' is abstract. Argue all you want but I know this is 100% true. BTW On a sub atomic level you can argue that procreation occurs and there would be sexual preferences when it comes to fusion/fission. (Pretty much if a true circle is imaginable by the human mind then that proves the mind operates in quantum, but this will never be known for abstract things are un-testable/un-observable)

Irrelevant to me. It is classic mistake of dissonance in the unawares... and I know I am in the minority. That does not mean my conclusions are wrong. Identity is subjectively who, ego is subjectively what (and who by inference). The what differs culturally, the what is abstract. It is not agreeable by third parties. My what is line with descartes, who gets a lot of slack I know, but they don't see how he has has just mistaken some phenonema. EM is massless and can be linked to a metaphysical soul/dualism (just not in his context)

Look and think about this. In water it would sink because of the holes in it.

You can fool all people some of the time, some people all of the time,
but you cannot fool all people all of the time.

Even if he didn't touch the flag on the way by (most likely), it's possible the suit generated some static electricity that attracted the material of the flag.

Nice idea, but in my experience static electricity is usually not quite that strong, not getting a flag moving. It could have created part of the effect though when he touched/the moment he was about to touch/untouched the flag.

wittgenstein is 5% bull****

life exists without language - imagine if flora existed but fauna didn't.*
pi exists but cannot be defined (the equation is not good enough, relative to infinity might as well just sign your signature)
the ego also falls into this category(1)

the only alternative of 1 has not been considered when presuming what is meant by a expression. (highlighting potential confusion)

*note: this is true or real to the extent of your perception of the logical chain deriving from all sensual experience imo as I presume you are generally an agnostic atheist. I do actually believe that nothing exists without language and this is one the proofs that there is a sum of all systems (aka god)

Pi is the 3rd dimension... to make a circle (or you use this model with : through brain lens: outwards expanding sphere from 0 (0 is the past frame/time(leads to 4th dimension(unsseable future))(probably 70% speed of light)) you go across , then you go up, and then some unkown variable is applied to that. This unknown variable is common place or uniform across all models (is there a word for that out there?). The ego is the vector of either the 3rd or 4th dimension, it is irrational and abstract (at least the same form (Vector:-vector), but probably material as em energy). Neuronal structure is 2d, but there is this ***** processor and I lose language and it doesn't exist - but it does.

You cannot add a dimension without an irrational** vector being applied. A world can't be made up of boxes. Two things that worry me from reading current memes such as on this forum, the plankt being treated as smallest possible unit, and 2. that the sum of of something with an inherent value greater than 1 is deemed as a negative fraction like -1/12.

I've been thinking alot about this stuff from this thread and it comes coming up at uni like zzzzzzzzz can we go look at the bottom please. I need to leave it here, it needs to be severed. Simple solution is a reliable bet to be understand inhibition and dis-inhibition. The ego is that yearning to grow knowledge.

CIAO

** Irrational and abstract are together, a number like 1.7 is an integer ('sunddenly not an integer LOL'.... 17....... 170)

Excuse me, but are you on something?

considering the amount of care I put into making that step by step understandable, severance only becomes stronger.

as to your question, I will give authority for someone else to answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrPZY55mX2c

Madlibs. They are fun.

what a weird bump

I've never understood why people debate the moon landing. You only need to know one thing in order to know that we actually went there when we said we did. Russia. Its one thing to hoax your own populous with a sound stage movie shown on national TV. But when there is another nation in the world, who is your sworn enemy, and they are in race with you to get to the moon, your sound stage fakery isnt going to cut it, because they would actually have been able to tell whether or not we were there because they sure as hell had all their technology pointed at the sky intercepting all our communications. You never heard a peep out of Russia about our giant hoax did you?

Great troll bumb IYAM. That's Apollo photographed on the moon. Also I got plenty links on the russians. Try research what % of the planet believes the Nasa hoax. You will be surprised.

But challenging

I can only guess two things and both are zzzzzzzzzz. There is more than one language... that picture is defined by a 2d pixelated statement of a:b co ordinates as well as one with an arrogantly perceived 'random' component, very funny(like you can actually not be a robot LOL(LOL- my only way of stating sarcasm I'm not actually lol'ing)). Is it suppose to be counter to mr witt or is it just trollesque covert humour I wonder. I only wrote 2 lines. So... inhibition is improving. A part of me wants the stoic bandwagon to come in and run me over. To make it easier. 3 lines damn. 5 lines.

(FYP)

One of the better arguments against a conspiracy. WP.

oops, yeah U.S.S.R

All you need to know its the moon is to watch the rover video i gave you. In it all the kinematics match a system with different g and no atmosphere. You cannot slow down a film to offer the illusion of less gravity because first of all equations are quadratic in time and in slowing down the vertical motion to offer illusion of less g you also slow down the linear horizontal motion. But in the rovers you instead see the rover moving just fine as fast as it would in an earth desert but the dust it is lifting is not falling down to the ground as fast as on earth and also its vertical oscillations are different. Now no photographic/film trick can achieve that result in a pre cgi era lol. All their actions appear fast enough but the vertical motion is less fast exactly as you would expect in a smaller g system.

You know physics is not just equations. Physics is to be able to connect with the ageless child inside you that has been observing nature all its life.

For example i only have to look at the light of the pictures to know its a system out of this world because in our atmosphere the bright sun light is not like that. The contrast is radically different. The shadows you have on the moon are the darkest shadows you ever saw as well (not as much ambient light).


In fact i recently saw the Chinese pictures the first few days and knew it was artistic reproduction on one occasion and the real thing in the other before i investigated the details. The real thing has a unique character that is truly out of this world.


The sad reality regarding conspiracy theorists is that they fail to realize that the ultimate chasers and uncoverers of a conspiracy are the physicists themselves. You do not need to believe in any conspiracy. All you need is to start noticing things that are not consistent with the laws of nature in such system as the one you are supposed to be. You are constantly after observing and noticing strange thing in science, its your job!

The conspiracy camp will notice the flag moving but will fail to also notice that it is moving a lot more and for a much longer time than it would have been moving if some wind moved it inside an atmosphere at 1 g lol. It kept oscillating forever because there was little friction to stop it. In fact that is another detail that tells you its in the moon. Not only you have less friction but longer period of flag oscillation, another thing that is the result of smaller g. Also you notice the astronauts move fast in the horizontal sense and slow in the vertical sense when walking . No film illusion can achieve that differential treatment of these 2 different axis motions. Its remarkable that the deniers will find all kinds of things that they seem strange but then fail to notice a ton more other things that are convincing in ways that a coverup would be technologically impossible to deliver.

We do not have to use the simple arguments that superpowers monitor each other in a severe competition environment or that a secret cannot be kept by thousands as easily or question the need to be reproduced multiple times (lol why bother with multiple missions). All you need to do is observe a simple rover video.

on the moon






And on earth tests (make sure you watch everything here and notice that even in the earth moon gravity simulation you can affect the weight with cables but you cant force the dust to behave as it does on the moon. Also why bother faking a failed mission too apollo 13 lol - in order to show yourself a hero, i bet would be the conspiracy theory answer. You cant stop this line of arguing that is almost religious. Only an investment in education by each individual can liberate the spirit from that abyss).



(Go to youtube and watch all the series "moon machines" actually, its fun)


Ps: The moon story alone will make you fall in love with America and almost forgive it for everything else...

Nice to find the moon landing conspiracy in the fringe thread. Last time the thread was up it was a bit interesting to participate in, because there was a specific phenomenon to analyze, not really motivating after the bump. Believing in a moon landing conspiracy is the luxury of those who don't bother to think about it, crackpots, and the chosen few who have gone all Descartes.

http://apolloreality.atspace.co.uk/

http://apolloreality2.atspace.co.uk/

What about this ?

Isn't there a name for this strategy of providing sooooo many points (all wrong, btw) to overwhelm your opponent who clearly is not going to sit there and counter each one because most of us spend less time on our posts than masque?

In other words, you aren't debating now, you're just vomiting into this thread, waiting to claim victory if we don't clean up every last drop.

The word Filibuster comes to mind, maybe there's a more accurate one.

http://gizmodo.com/5977205/why-the-m...finitive-proof

I'm recommending you to see the entire video, and be back if you want some more.

I dunno if hes actually dumb enough to believe the landing is faked, he admitted hes trolling, so now its impossible to know.

whats the name of that law, where when a belief is so dumb its impossible to tell if the person is being sarcastic in talking about it, or is a true believer?