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01-20-2013 , 06:12 PM

#926

longmissedblind

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no no that's ted kaczinski's cabin in the woods

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01-21-2013 , 03:34 AM

#927

Matt Marcinkiewicz

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They wielded OJsBludyNife in order to capture him, so don't play dumb as if you weren't involved in this capture

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01-21-2013 , 03:44 PM

#928

plaaynde

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I found more proof:

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01-21-2013 , 06:36 PM

#929

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by OJsBludyNife

I just heard on the radio that there was a Bigfoot captured in Kentucky. Anybody hear about this. I googled it and there is just a bunch of random stories about BF, nothing about this specific capture.

yes they did. here is the picture:

Spoiler:

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01-22-2013 , 04:54 PM

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rockfsh

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Originally Posted by archimedes11

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.co.u...re-of.html?m=1

LMAO at the "photo"

"Daisy"? "Lennay" would be more appropriate.

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01-23-2013 , 11:35 AM

#931

plaaynde

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The evidence just keeps mounting up:

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02-19-2013 , 12:48 AM

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sup hezbollah

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Doesnt it seem like its all fake in some way. Like our minds create our reality? As if our thoughts are a film projector and the world is a movie screen?

Has anyone ever bought into the holographic universe theory or perhaps any other intriguing possibilities they would like to discuss on this thread.

Sometimes I can just feel it in the core of my being, that things are in some way not as they appear.

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02-19-2013 , 02:19 AM

#933

Bank

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If we can eventually simulate universes in our own, we are likely in a simulation ourselves.

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

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02-19-2013 , 02:57 AM

#934

Oroku$aki

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Adderall isn't real.

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02-19-2013 , 03:29 AM

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plaaynde

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OP, good point. But the world works that predictably that I feel I have no other choice than to think it's real. If you don't come up with some credible evidence against it. Something going on only in 1-2 kg of brains isn't enough of evidence, imo, even if it was my own.

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02-19-2013 , 03:33 AM

#936

FRYTWO

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nothing that isn't cant be

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02-19-2013 , 03:42 AM

#937

VeeDDzz`

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Define 'real' first. Even if the universe is holographic, it's still real.

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02-19-2013 , 04:43 AM

#938

SALABURU FANS

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I do

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02-19-2013 , 07:30 AM

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Dominic

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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah

Sometimes I can just feel it in the core of my being, that things are in some way not as they appear.

Just because things may not be as they appear doesn't mean those things aren't real.

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02-19-2013 , 09:42 AM

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gadgetguru

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http://youtu.be/mf5otGNbkuc

I like the idea that our brains evolved pragmatically to view and sense useful information around us although there is much more going on beyond the visible spectrum. It's easy to fool the senses (video).

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02-19-2013 , 02:22 PM

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Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah

define real

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02-19-2013 , 10:16 PM

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sup hezbollah

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I guess thats part of the issue. How does one define "real"?

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02-19-2013 , 10:52 PM

#943

Rikers

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in b4 someone mentions Matrix

carry on....

Is it real? Physicists propose method to determine if the universe is a simulation

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02-19-2013 , 11:12 PM

#944

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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah

I guess thats part of the issue. How does one define "real"?

Daniel Dennett has a talk on consciousness I think it was? Anyway he used an analogy, it went something like: When people say to a magician, upon learning his trick/illusion, hey! thats not real magic! He then states; Its funny how people define real magic as the type that doesn't exist IOW the type that is not real!

Anyway thats what I remember, if it applies to thread thats good too.

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02-20-2013 , 01:02 AM

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plaaynde

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Originally Posted by Ryanb9

define real

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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah

I guess thats part of the issue. How does one define "real"?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/real

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reality

I'm thinking about the simulation option like about the god question:

Is there any credible evidence? - No
Is there any reason to believe in it anyhow? - Why should we? It's like Occam's razor. Why construct some complicated theory to believe in, when a simpler one does the job?
Naturally I'm positive to research about if the simulation/god theory has anything in it, but without any positive results it doesn't make the cut so far in describing reality

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02-20-2013 , 01:05 AM

#946

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Ryanb9

define real

In context real is what remains unchanged (or very largely unchnaged for the nits) when I'm not there.

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02-20-2013 , 01:34 AM

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plaaynde

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

In context real is what remains unchanged (or very largely unchnaged for the nits) when I'm not there.

This is a very good and pedagocical explanation and a method to help finding out what "real" is. We have all kinds of things going on in our own minds, tendencies to religiosity, feelings, love, implanted beliefs, and so on. But with the quoted method it's principally possible to get rid of that bias when trying to discover what the objective reality is.

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02-20-2013 , 06:30 AM

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Hardball47

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Timestamp embedding not working properly. Skip to 4:31.

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02-20-2013 , 07:12 AM

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Ramana

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

In context real is what remains unchanged (or very largely unchnaged for the nits) when I'm not there.

You don't know that anything changes, you also don't know that "you" are ever not there.

"Real" is what we call a thing that is there. "Reality" is the sum of all things that are there.

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02-20-2013 , 07:51 AM

#950

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Ramana

You don't know that anything changes, you also don't know that "you" are ever not there.

Yes. so we add skepticism to realism. They dont contradict at all and account for matters rather well.

Also yes I might be really really important to the scheme of things but as that's not required at all and it leads to all sorts of misleading egotoistical mumbo jumbo then why bother? if its needed for something then lets add it then.

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