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Old 05-27-2020, 04:02 PM   #3426
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Pretending indeed, cannot send an object into a region that cannot possibly exist ie violates second law of thermodynamics. Good to see the presenters sitting 2m apart. Not the astro-nots though. Wait its ok, they have helmets.
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Old 05-27-2020, 04:06 PM   #3427
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Seems real to me.
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actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
Cannot therefore 'seem real'. Either is real, or is not real. Which is it?

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Old 05-27-2020, 04:30 PM   #3428
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Seems real to me.
You probably think the Earth is round too.
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Old 05-27-2020, 04:37 PM   #3429
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Ha ha.

Real simulation.
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Old 05-31-2020, 06:24 AM   #3430
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Interesting statement from NHS doctor re death certification
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-...ictims/5714415

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As an NHS doctor, I’ve seen people die and be listed as a victim of coronavirus without ever being tested for it. But unless we have accurate data, we won’t know which has killed more: the disease or the lockdown?

I suppose most people would be somewhat surprised to know that the cause of death, as written on death certificates, is often little more than an educated guess...

Mostly, however, out in the community, death certification is certainly not an exact science. Never was, never will be...

Then, along comes Covid-19, and many of the rules – such as they were – went straight out the window...

What were we now supposed to do? If an elderly person died in a care home, or at home, did they die of Covid-19? Well, frankly, who knows? Especially if they didn’t have a test for Covid-19 – which for several weeks was not even allowed. Only patients entering hospital were deemed worthy of a test. No-one else.

What advice was given? It varied throughout the country, and from coroner to coroner – and from day to day. Was every person in a care home now to be diagnosed as dying of the coronavirus ? Well, that was certainly the advice given in several parts of the UK.

Where I work, things were left more open. I discussed things with colleagues and there was very little consensus.

I put Covid-19 on a couple of certificates, and not on a couple of others. Based on how the person seemed to die.

I do know that other doctors put down Covid-19 on anyone who died from early March onwards. I didn’t. What can be made of the statistics created from data like these? And does it matter?

It matters greatly for two main reasons. First, if we vastly overestimate deaths from Covid-19, we will greatly underestimate the harm caused by the lockdown. This issue was looked at in a recent article published in the BMJ, The British Medical Journal. It stated:

“Only a third of the excess deaths seen in the community in England and Wales can be explained by Covid-19.

…David Spiegelhalter, chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, said that Covid-19 did not explain the high number of deaths taking place in the community.”

“At a briefing hosted by the Science Media Centre on May 12 he explained that, over the past five weeks, care homes and other community settings had had to deal with a ‘staggering burden’ of 30,000 more deaths than would normally be expected, as patients were moved out of hospitals that were anticipating high demand for beds.

Of those 30,000, only 10 000 have had Covid-19 specified on the death certificate. While Spiegelhalter acknowledged that some of these ‘excess deaths’ might be the result of underdiagnosis, ‘the huge number of unexplained extra deaths in homes and care homes is extraordinary. When we look back . . . this rise in non-covid extra deaths outside the hospital is something I hope will be given really severe attention.’ He added that many of these deaths would be among people ‘who may well have lived longer if they had managed to get to hospital.’”

What Speigelhalter is saying here is that people may well be dying ‘because of’ Covid, or rather, because of the lockdown. Because they are not going to hospital to be treated for conditions other than Covid. We know that A&E attendances have fallen by over fifty percent since lockdown. Admissions with chest pain have dropped by over fifty percent. Did these people just die at home?

From my own perspective, I have certainly found it extremely difficult to get elderly patients admitted to hospital. I recently managed with one old chap who was found to have sepsis, not Covid-19. Had he died in the care home; he would almost certainly have been diagnosed as “dying of Covid.”

The bottom line here is that, if we do not diagnose deaths accurately, we will never know how many died of Covid-19, or ‘because of’ the lockdown. Those supporting lockdown, and advising governments, can point to how deadly Covid was, and say we were right to do what we did. When it may have been that lockdown itself was just as deadly. Directing care away from everything else, to deal with a single condition. Keeping sick, ill, vulnerable people away from hospitals.
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Old 05-31-2020, 06:39 AM   #3431
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Get your finger on the pulse, guy. I'm the only one reading this thread and I made it pretty ****ing clear I wanted space conspiracies, not Covid.
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:54 PM   #3432
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I'm building an assault-style military base on Ceres (will get clandestine help from Space X and others). Within a decade I plan to launch a full scale attack on Earth and subdue the planet to my supreme will. I will then expand humanity and rule the solar system with my minions and then spread like a virus throughout the Galaxy.
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Old 05-31-2020, 06:08 PM   #3433
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You probably think the Earth is round too.
You probably think that flat and round are the only possible choices.
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Old 05-31-2020, 06:42 PM   #3434
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It doesn't matter what shape the Earth is. The point is, as long as we believe it's round, they have the upper hand.
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:14 PM   #3435
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Is pancake flat enough?
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:56 PM   #3436
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Is pancake flat enough?
Flat enough but a poor visual comparison - globe defender noobs think "discworldz on elephant in vacuum where's de edge lolz " etc, but in fact it is the globe that requires an edge: the geometric sphere edge horizon that must be a certain distance away dependent on observer height yet is never observed at that distance... which begs the question - where does the earth radius value comes from in the first instance if not derived from an observed distance to the horizon? From a calculation that presupposes a spherical earth and a distant massive sun, ie a mathematical model.
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Old 06-01-2020, 02:21 PM   #3437
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You probably think that flat and round are the only possible choices.
Depends on the context of 'round'. The implied meaning of 'round' is globe, which implies the entire heliocentric story - gas balls in vacuum, blackholes, spacex and what not. Deviations such as geo stationary/centric globe, donut, concave etc are as heretic as flat. It is heliocentrism or it is blasphemy. So in that sense the dichotomy is valid. Any set of ideas this dogmatic should be cause for concern for the reasonable mind, though dogma may not be a strictly accurate description. There is room for manoeuvre - new planets, new classifications, new phenomena, even the laws of physics and spacetime itself can be bent. But there are rules that govern the extent to which the model is allowed to be changed, not as a result of experiment (scientific theory) but as directed by what I guess is best termed the technocracy - authoritarian modellers who use computers to simulate the universe and assign meaning to the results. There is something alluding to transhumanism about that.

A rather neat maxim I picked up from someone recently, it isn't what you know, it's about what you can prove. All shapes and sizes are fine, but that which is best proven holds the most weight. Hence flat earth truth.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:24 AM   #3438
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Anybody believing in a flat earth with activity on BOTH sides?
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Anybody believing in a flat earth with activity on BOTH sides?
That’s were I live, on the underside. I guide the turtle that holds up the pancake earth; the turtle swims in a universal ocean of quantum foam.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:02 AM   #3440
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Stay buoyant!


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Old 06-03-2020, 03:45 AM   #3441
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Anybody believing in a flat earth with activity on BOTH sides?
Same error. Flat earth does not require a value for depth or a conception of an underside. Conversely the globe requires circa 8000 miles depth, a concept of a molten core and a conception of gravity to stop you falling off the other side when you tunnel through. As seen on TV in the excellent movie "the core" which presumably heliocentrists believe the only fantastic feature of which is the mole ship they built. Earth spin, molten core is all good.
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:02 AM   #3442
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The vacuum of space is the major barrier to seeing past this, you can accept flatness to a point but when it's visualised in the vacuum with spherical planets moons suns you are never going to get past this. You will ask noob questions like underside and edge. That's what Sci-fi programming is for, and mainstream 'debunks' visualise a flat disc, in space, surface level programming.
Down here I Iike to think we are a few layers in, recognising that the concept of spherical planets and space is begging the question. But we seem to be at the troll stage with fully programmed bots. What we need is for an insecure type, on a potential road to awakening, a bit of cognitive dissonance going on, to angrily reject the notion of flat earth, while maintaining a facade of "just trolling". Could you be that guy Plaaynde?
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Living on the edge.
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