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05-25-2020 , 05:29 PM
I guess technically it's news
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05-25-2020 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
That channel is an affiliate of ABC a major news outlet.. this isn’t debatable. Not interested in arguing semantics.
*Shrug* -- If you think WTNH8 New Hampshire is a "major news outlet" then so be it.

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I can not find a statement either but I didn’t write it. I’m showing you a local news story make of it what you want.
Okay. I think that WTNH8 New Hampshire is not a major news outlet and that the story does not appear to be well-researched because I can't find the statement they referred to.

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I just find it interesting that any town would try and stop 5g. This is not a conspiracy it’s actual news.
I don't find it that surprising that a town of 10,000 might have enough people believe something to pass some sort of local ordinance in response to internet conspiracy theories.

It's actual news that people passed the ordinance, but it doesn't mean that the underlying concept isn't itself a conspiracy theory.
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05-25-2020 , 06:42 PM
https://www.ctpost.com/politics/arti...f-14981508.php

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A movement that started on the fringes is picking up steam in Connecticut, drawing a crowd of almost 150 to the public library in Stamford Wednesday night to hear about the alleged adverse affects of 5G technology.

Organized by the only state representative to vote against accelerating 5G wireless facilities in Connecticut, David Michel, D-Stamford, the forum — titled “What You Should Know About 5G” — featured three different guest speakers. Each of them railed against the widespread deployment of wireless technologies.

One attendee at Wednesday’s forum compared 5G to vaccines, and suggested both are harmful to human health, drawing more applause than almost any other comment of the night.
Yeah... okay.
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05-25-2020 , 06:46 PM
This one takes that other article verbatim, and then adds some stuff.

https://recentlyheard.com/2020/05/23...e-to-checking/

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“A $25 million FDA study in 2019 found” clear evidence of cancer and DNA damage “among the myriad known 5G-related injuries.
I could not find this study, either. But I do have this FDA link:

https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitti...l-phone-safety

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To date, there is no consistent or credible scientific evidence of health problems caused by the exposure to radio frequency energy emitted by cell phones.
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The NCI data clearly demonstrate no widespread rise in brain and other nervous system cancers in the last (nearly) three decades despite the enormous increase in cell phone use during this period. The Pew Research Center estimates that from 2002 to 2019, the percentage of the population owning a cell phone or smartphone has risen from 62 percent to 96 percent, and yet there is a small decrease in brain and other nervous tissue cancer rates.
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05-25-2020 , 07:00 PM
Aaron W struggling with the concept of affiliation

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officially attach or connect (a subsidiary group or a person) to an organization.
Subsidiary group is not the same thing as that to which it is affiliated, while being an official partner or subordinate and therefore having shared accountability.
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05-25-2020 , 07:22 PM
I think the real problem with 5g and vaccines is that we don’t have studies with long term effects on either thing because they simply haven’t been around long enough.
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05-25-2020 , 07:27 PM
Billy. There are way better conspiracy theories than this one. What's your thoughts on RaTG13 if you have any.

Edit: rjr777 not billy
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05-25-2020 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
I think the real problem with 5g and vaccines is that we don’t have studies with long term effects on either thing because they simply haven’t been around long enough.
What's the problem with 4g and vaccines?
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05-25-2020 , 07:45 PM
What was ever the problem between radio and vaccines?
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05-25-2020 , 09:47 PM
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Subsidiary group is not the same thing as that to which it is affiliated, while being an official partner or subordinate and therefore having shared accountability.
Yeah... no. There is no national ABC person fact-checking all of the local ABC news programs. Sometimes the local stations will show reports from the national organization, but what you're describing here is completely disconnected from reality.
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05-25-2020 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
I think the real problem with 5g and vaccines is that we don’t have studies with long term effects on either thing because they simply haven’t been around long enough.
When do you think we started giving people vaccines, and how long do you think is long enough to have observable long term results?
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05-26-2020 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Yeah... no. There is no national ABC person fact-checking all of the local ABC news programs. Sometimes the local stations will show reports from the national organization, but what you're describing here is completely disconnected from reality.
"fact checking" "national standard" "reality" - sounds like you live in some kind of functioning democracy. All your media is ran ultimately by the council on foreign relations in New York in any case.
The other day you were taking at face value ludicrous reports of hospitals being over ran yet it transpires most of them were empty and actually laying off staff. But it's OK as provided it's a "national source" you can assume all the "fact checking" is in place and you would never be misled. What do you do with some kind of intermediate regional report, flip a coin to decide its validity?
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05-26-2020 , 05:02 AM
What does this have to do with a town of dumbs banning 5G again?
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05-26-2020 , 06:40 AM
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When do you think we started giving people vaccines, and how long do you think is long enough to have observable long term results?
Some vaccines have been out for since the early 1900s... I would say they have at least seen a full life span.

But then a bunch of of vaccines haven’t been out for more than 40 or 50 years so nobody has taken certain vaccines and seen how it will affect you for a full life Ike I.e. 70-75 years is the average life expectancy. So any vaccine younger than 75 has not seen the long term affects. We can’t gauge whether life expectancies will be lowered or increased given that nobody has tested these things for a full life span.

If the covid19 vaccine comes out you can guarantee that not even short term affects have been studied and certainly not long term.
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05-26-2020 , 06:42 AM
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What does this have to do with a town of dumbs banning 5G again?
They’d didn’t ban it they served a cease and desist letter threatening litigation
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05-26-2020 , 06:48 AM
Ok
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05-26-2020 , 10:52 AM
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They’d didn’t ban it they served a cease and desist letter threatening litigation
I called town hall of Easton and they said 5g installation is temporarily prohibited until 12/31/20
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05-26-2020 , 10:55 AM
I spoke with the assistant of the first selectman and she said they voted on it and wanted to collect more data. She was even aware of the alleged Covid connection.
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05-26-2020 , 11:25 AM
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I spoke with the assistant of the first selectman and she said they voted on it and wanted to collect more data. She was even aware of the alleged Covid connection.
I'm also aware of the alleged Covid connection. But it doesn't mean what you think it means.
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05-26-2020 , 11:26 AM
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But then a bunch of of vaccines haven’t been out for more than 40 or 50 years so nobody has taken certain vaccines and seen how it will affect you for a full life Ike I.e. 70-75 years is the average life expectancy. So any vaccine younger than 75 has not seen the long term affects. We can’t gauge whether life expectancies will be lowered or increased given that nobody has tested these things for a full life span.
With all of the changes to society over the last 50 years, what reasonable inference do you think can be drawn based on a singular cause? What are you expecting to see that make you feel more or less confident that vaccines have anything to do with anything?
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05-26-2020 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
With all of the changes to society over the last 50 years, what reasonable inference do you think can be drawn based on a singular cause? What are you expecting to see that make you feel more or less confident that vaccines have anything to do with anything?
I agree with your sentiment but the same could be said for any new drug. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t at least attempt to test them.

I was just pointing out the obvious lack of research in all this stuff that is pushed on us.
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05-26-2020 , 01:06 PM
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I agree with your sentiment but the same could be said for any new drug. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t at least attempt to test them.
No, that's not the sentiment. The sentiment is that you have an unreasonable expectation. You are literally saying that you want some sort of study to be done over 70-75 years that isolates a single variable and tells you something about it. There's no way this can be done because there are many other changes to society over that period of time that can have influence.

Most drugs under a fairly rigorous testing process. The testing process of drugs is much greater than the testing of most other new products that come to the market.

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I was just pointing out the obvious lack of research in all this stuff that is pushed on us.
There's plenty of research that's being done. You just don't want to accept it. You are setting an arbitrary standard that cannot be met in any realistic scenario.

Last edited by Aaron W.; 05-26-2020 at 01:12 PM.
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05-26-2020 , 01:14 PM
There would be so much irony if rjr777 supported the use of hydroxychloroquine by anyone with regards to COVID-19.
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05-27-2020 , 01:27 PM
SpaceX is pretending to launch people into space today.

"LIVE" feed:

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05-27-2020 , 03:48 PM
Seems real to me.
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