I see. So neither of you understand the statement. Good stuff.
It matters not - these people are arguing over the arrangement of the furniture on the deck of the titanic. I cited Dr Ioannidis purely as an expert who has stated "Covid-19" is akin to seasonal flu. It doesn't matter to my argument whether he is correct or not, he is an expert who has argued that point - therefore I was correct. If you are in doubt please read the post above - point 1) - for the record, it says. The argument that undermines both sides is the fact that sars-cov2 is not scientifically proven and the testing is therefore bunk. All the data based on 'testing' is meaningless. I notice this is not acknowledged here, beyond hysteria about frozen bodies.

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This is such an interesting comment. Why would you fight so hard over a statement and then suddenly pull the rug on it?

Just like the shape of the earth isn't scientifically proven, either, right?

Carry on with your ramblings.

I had already pulled the rug on it in the first post. I have sunk the battleship with Kaufman while Ioannidis and his opponents are arguing over the colour of repainting the decking. Doesn't mean there is nothing worthy of discussion since PTB raised criticism of the study but nobody seems to know what the criticism actually means. Isn't much point in continuing with it then is there. Unless you care to explain the statement in question?

No, there is no similarity at all between these concepts, this is a foolish comparison. The shape of the earth cannot be demonstrated scientifically is not comparable to there being no scientific evidence for a virus. It is possible to prove that a microbe CAUSES (that word is important) a disease by applying Koch's postulates, or the modifications set out by Rivers when applied to viruses.

Now, the first was apparently dropped due to some asymptomatic cases. So we have zero out of three satisfied in the case of "sars cov2/Covid-19".

A guy called Thomas Rivers was not too pleased with these postulates as he could not apply them to viruses. So he modified them, the 6 Rivers criteria, see Kaufman above for full details of the 6 criteria

Zero out of six Rivers criteria are satisfied with the research on sars-cov2/Covid-19.

Are you getting this now Mr W? See how this is pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo you are being trolled with by these psychopaths?

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Billy not sure why you keep arguing w Aaron or any of these msm bootlickers...

9-11
Flat earth
Covid 19

All of these things have a mainstream media narrative.. AAron and the rest will not go against this msm narrative on any circumstance. It’s clear that agendas are being pushed and the world is a stage.

Providing proof of people acting behind closed doors in a nefarious manner will never happen.

The people in power won’t just give out their secrets because doing so would relinquish the power they hold above us.

I’m don’t with trying to prove all these things.. Bc it’s going to be hard to go against paid for research that pushes agendas.

The only proof I need that MSM lies is the gulf of Tonkin and the fact not the theory that USA used a false flag attack that never happened and was later admitted by George HW. So 50k+ Americans plus 100s of thousands of Vietnamese lost their life Bc a false flag was used by congresss to declare war.

These are the same masters telling you to be afraid of covid 19, telling you that you live on a spinning ball, and told you 9-11 was done by 19 guys w box cutters which led to the USA attacking countries in the ME (sound familiar? Ya gulf of Tonkin???)

Covid at very least is pushing for a vaccine..

Also 5g may or may not be causing the sickness or working with covid somehow to make people sick.

Some people get so triggered if you question msm.. which is why this is all so dangerous. We can’t unite against our masters instead we sit here arguing with each other over semantics.

We have proof for some things - Eg 9/11 - Dr Judy Wood has exposed what happened in her book where did the towers go? She uses her engineering expertise to prove, without doubt, that the towers were brought down not by fire or controlled demolition (as I previously thought) but by a new weapon. Does it matter that his evidence exists? It is ignored by the majority since they cant access it, those that could do something with it, politicians, academics etc are trapped and made impotent by the system or they are just brainwashed. But that evidence is there, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. From then we can speculate but it starts with the "what" happened, then the "who" and "why" as Dr Wood explains. If we cannot get past the "what then there isn't really a point in going into the broader conspiracy while people think it is a possibility that planes brought down the towers.
With "Covid-19" - we have the science, they do not, it is quite simple even laymen like me can understand. Same with flat earth - science and logical consistency will expose those who seek to cloud the mind.

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Agree that there is a lot of evidence..

Connecting the dots is hard though if you’re not open minded to admit you have been lied to.. it’s easier to lie to the people than to convince them they’ve been lied to.

Connecting the dots to a full picture is next to impossible, even for insiders I think, there is so much compartmentalisation. You would need maybe 100 high level intelligence operatives from all the major countries to expose in full all they know, to come close to knowing what is being planned and carried out, the full detail. But a lot is of course hidden in plain sight - this is in John Colemans testimony - the committee of 300, a former intelligence officer in both the UK and US he states it is a principle in Intel circles that the best way to conceal a secret is in the open. In a sense we have this now - official figures show there is no pandemic, the science is available to anybody who wants to look and see there is no scientific basis for "Covid-19" yet governments are being "led by the science", the guardian reports openly that Gates paid the UK chief medical officer Chris Whitty £31m to "research" vaccines in Africa then Gates goes on UK state TV telling us he intends to vaccinate us all with his **** covid-vista/covid98/covid-xp conveyor belt. It is nothing but mis-direction, genius really.

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Ya there‘s definitely a vaccine agenda whether this stuff is real or not... 5g may or may not be working with the flu or by itself. It wouldn’t surprise me if the entire thing is a cover to be able zap everyone with 5g. Or maybe that’s just disinformation.

There’s a ton of inconsistencies and it seems to be preying on people’s fears at a minimum.

I know there is widespread concern in the medical field and elsewhere as to the dangers of 5G and this has been and is being censored. The extent I do not know, is this what might be considered an occupational hazard that comes with a new industry or something far more damaging. Persistent close proximity to high frequency radiation cannot be good I suspect. Around Wuhan ahead of the "outbreak" there was a big 5G rollout - did this impact on respiratory problems? At this point I believe the primary reason to oppose or be concerned about 5G is its importance to the 'control grid', driverless cars, drones, surveillance, 'contact tracing', the use of mobile data to track people - with their 'consent' of course - these are the hallmarks of a dystopia previously the thing of dreams (Huxley) and nightmares (Orwell). The measures in place now would have been unthinkable outside of China or North Korea a matter of weeks ago and it would have been lunacy to suggest we would be standing 2m apart in queues, have your neighbour phone the police if you are out of the house more than once a day, have the police stop you sitting in a park. All done with a good majority support, this is how fascism is being rolled out in this century, by consent.
The burning of some 5G towers in the UK reeks of intelligence services dirty work but who knows.

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Another blinder from the Doc

Tom Cowan MD takes down logical fallacies covid-19 manufactured narrative is built on. All the favourites, begging the question, correlation/causation, appeal to authority, appeal to the future. Very good video.

Interesting stuff...

So my takeaway is that something else is causing people to get sick.

I would say so. In the UK, and other countries have similar policies, death certificates can have Covid-19 as cause of death without a test (and for those who had a test I draw attention to PCR inventor Kary Mullis who was explicit about not using PCR for diagnosis of infectious disease) so we really have no clue as to the mortality rate of Covid19. It could be zero. In fact I argue that it is zero - it has to be zero, without the purification of sars-cov2 and proof of disease causation there is no basis for a single Covid-19 diagnosis.
The question of excess mortality as to whether we 'need' some explanation for abnormal deaths, UK data shows all cause mortality in the range of a strong flu season, less in fact than 99-00. CDC data shows in the US overall mortality is actually lower than last year - that is according to Kaufman though I have not seen the data directly.
Belarus is intersting with just 160 deaths from Covid-19 - and no lockdown.

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Crazy story time...

So my wife’s great aunt just passed away. She was at a nursing home and was over 90 (on a side note she was receiving her husbands pension still)

She was in isolation and didn’t eat for 2-3 days before she passed, God rest her soul.

Coincidentally lack of appetite is a side effect of radiation poisoning. Interestingly enough we live close to a major metropolitan area putting up tons of 5g

We got the death certificate and sure enough it was “covid19” listed as reason for death.

Don't mean to make this any worse for you but what strikes me about this is that the state have dictated that a woman be isolated and has ended up dying alone before seeing family or family seeing her. Then multiply this by all the other people who have died in this way.
I was told by a carer in a nursing home that patients after dying are being placed more or less immediately by guys rocking up in full hazmat gear and the coffin is literally nailed shut and removed. Then they get relatives on the phone hoping to see them and they are told no, you cannot see your relative who just died. There is something dark about this.
For people in the UK the psychopath Dr Harold Shipman is in recent memory, such negligent practices allowed this guy to murder hundreds of elderly patients.

The worrying thing is that there is a refusal to consider the potential harm of 5G, it is so important to the 4th industrial revolution that health impacts are just collateral damage to which there seems no limit.

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If you believe that she didn't actually test positive for COVID-19, then you have an easily winnable lawsuit on your hands if the coroner is putting false information in a death certificate.

So why not go for a lawsuit and blow this whole thing wide open?

Ya it’s a possibility... I really have no say as it’s my in laws. I just reconfirmed that she was never even tested.

So right there is a conspiracy to inflate the death numbers for covid1984...

Crazy story part 2 is her sister who passed away last year got paid covid relief a year after passing.

How inept is the government to be paying dead people though?? Obviously it doesn’t matter to anyone because they print the money out of thin air smh

But keep ahead believing the government. They really seem to know what they’re doing.

Reconfirmed meaning that you talked to the exact same person as you talked to before and they gave you the exact same answer?

I don't know how it works in the US but this would not be the case in the UK, in fact some doctors have been angsty about being accused of false info on death certificates. That is not the accusation. The problem is that (1) doctors can put Covid-19 where this is 'to the best of the knowledge' without a test, this is the official guidance. (2) ideally the doctor sees the body; failing that it is OK provided he saw the patient 28 days prior to death; failing that as long as another doctor saw the patient within 28 days its fine; failing that it's OK as long as cause of death is to the 'best of knowledge'. So a doctor can determine cause of death without seeing the patient either alive or dead and without the opinion of another doctor who has seen them.

Coronavirus Act – excess death provisions: information and ...
https://improvement.nhs.uk/documents...rovisions-info...

That is why I mentioned Harold Shipman.

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Also re coroners

"Covid-19 is not a reason on its own to refer a death to a coroner"

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Ah, this explains why Aaron is so frequently wrong. "should I double check that information? Nah, no need, its the exact same person they are bound to give me the same answer again and there is no way I may have misunderstood or need clarification" is I assume the conversation you have with yourself when deciding whether to check?

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The error message is too perfect.

So you don't think that the doctors should be reporting things "to the best of their knowledge"? Maybe they should be reporting things "below to best of their knowledge." At least if you said that, you could have room for your conspiracy theory.

For those who actually want to read guiding documents on coroners rather than taking Billy's interpretation of it, here it is. Most of his information comes from Section 2.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...h-covid-19.pdf

But I suggest reading sections 4-5 in their entirety, as it shows the level of reporting that's required. Doctors and/or coroners cannot simply just write "COVID-19" and move on to the next case.

Here's the funny thing about this:

You guys are literally one degree of separation from having legal documents that confirm the conspiracy theory. But all that's happening is posting on a poker website about it. I wonder why that is.