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View Poll Results: How would you want to go if the world had to end?
Zombie apocalypse
20 18.02%
Meteor collides into the earth
30 27.03%
Alien invasion
58 52.25%
Nuclear disaster, either from war or accident
3 2.70%

11-30-2010 , 07:21 PM
Possibly 1, given that we have to be here to ask the question.
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02-02-2011 , 11:32 AM
Bump for -Remembering Henry Gordon, Magician, Skeptic, Debunker:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/rememb...ptic_debunker/


From the above article:


"He opened a school for magic in the store, which thrived for nineteen years. Having always referred to magic as a fine art and to himself as an honest fraud, he became very annoyed by the famous magicians who cashed in on the psychedelic period by calling themselves psychics and destroying the integrity of magic.

One of the earliest debunkers, in the 1970s he (with Zita) performed magic and debunking on cruise ships. “It proved to be very successful, particularly when sailing through the Bermuda Triangle,” Henry joked in his article in the book Skeptical Odysseys, edited by Paul Kurtz. In 1978, Kurtz attended a skeptical symposium in Montreal, and shortly afterward Henry was elected a scientific and technical consultant to CSICOP.

For two years Henry wrote the debunking column “ExtraSensory Deception” for the Toronto Sun, which was the first such column in North America. He went on to write a regular column called “Debunking” for the Toronto Star’s Sunday paper.

Editor Gerry Hall, who wanted to introduce facts and science to counter the generally pro-paranormal tone of many newspapers, was attracted to Henry’s work because of his diligence and care for detail. “He was a skeptic who was willing to do the work to track something down,” says Hall. “There were a coterie of people who made yearly predictions and he would have probably had a complete file on them and he would find the twenty things they predicted that were wrong.” Henry turned his critical eye to everything from UFO sightings to psychic detectives and chiropractors."

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-Zeno
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02-03-2011 , 10:29 AM
After seeing the film "2012" I understand better why that year awakes feelings. Impressive. Maybe the most overwhelming megadisaster film I´ve ever seen. So untrue, but...wow. Thoughts? No?

Last edited by plaaynde; 02-03-2011 at 10:34 AM.
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02-04-2011 , 12:36 AM
Until I see and communicate with aliens, I don't buy those Dome of the Rock UFO sightings as intelligent, extra-terrestrial life.

It's very strange, I'll give it that much, but I'm sure there's some reasonable explanation.
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02-22-2011 , 09:05 AM
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True story:

I really like zombies. I like books about zombies, zombie movies, you name it. For some reason, they are just the most interesting and badass of all the classic horror villains, imo. I dont want to hear your vampire nonsense, vampires are just basically emo zombies. I particularly enjoy the recent trend in the zombie genre of playing up the viral, medical possibilities of zombies, based in some part probably on Haitian "zombies" and other medical oddities. With this in mind, while on my neurology rotation last year, me and a like-minded classmate spent probably a good 4 hours each day, for 2 weeks, discussing the medical intricacies and minutae of zombies. We would pimp our residents on zombie questions, we would present patients in the morning as "Not presently showing signs of zombification" and we would discuss the steps the hospital was prepared to take in the event of (inevitable in our opinion) zombie uprising and epidemic.

This was probably more amusing to the two of us than to those around us, but as we were not officially disciplined, we continued to build up steam. Now, a quick aside is in order: the logistics of medical services are essentially this. At the bottom you have between 1 and 3 third year medical students (M3s). Above them you have an optional M4. Above that is the residents, from intern (PGY1) to the chief of the service (PGY3 to PGY5). Above that you will have an attending who is ultimately responsible for the decisions the team makes, but who in general plays more of an advisory role. He is somewhat responsible for educating the M3, but as you can see in the hierarchy, we are enough steps below him that interaction is generally minimal. In rare instances you are able to build a rapport though, and this was just such an attending. After a week or so of this zombie discussion, we finally decided to broach the subject with him. But we, perhaps unwisely, didnt exactly build up to it. He made the mistake of asking us if we had any questions or anything we wanted to learn about, so I asked him, absolutely deadpan, "Dr. XXXXXX....do you think that zombism crosses the placental barrier? I mean, some viruses are capable, but I wasnt able to find any reliable literature on the subject, so I was just wondering." To his credit (as an educator, if not as an expert on zombies) he paused, considered, and responded "Female zombies are sterile, they cannot get pregnant." Well, the first and really only rule of med student rounds is that you do not, under any circumstances, correct the attending, no matter how obviously wrong he is. So, my classmate and I accepted this answer and continued on with rounds.

Moral of the story: Can you believe they grant medical licenses to people who dont even realize that you get pregnant FIRST, and are then BITTEN by a zombie, and thus it is ABSOLUTELY potentially a concern whether zombism crosses the placental barrier?
This post just made my day. Thank you sir!
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02-22-2011 , 09:55 AM
Thread's been too much Outer Limits and not enough Debunking IMO. Get to work, boys.

Roots of the 'Chinese Fleeceflower'.


Potentially disturbing one.
Spoiler:





Now, the impeccably-credentialed publication that brought these to my attention doesn't say a lot about them (not even worth your while clicking tbh), the Wiki page included in the article has nothing like the pictures shown, and I can't find a word about them on Snopes.

The impression we're given is that the roots grow like this very frequently. Don't buy that, it just seems too implausible. My guess would be the roots grow in a central trunk which forks periodically, and that some low number in a large enough crop will simply happen to turn out this way. If people are willing to take pictures, presumably someone somewhere will take steps to ensure they turn out that way. They're still pretty freaky, though.

So does anyone have better info, or the skillz to find it? I will go so far as $10 on Stars to whoever can lay these horrible things to rest for me. I need sleep.
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02-22-2011 , 12:50 PM
Why do they all have the bulge?
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02-22-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Thread's been too much Outer Limits and not enough Debunking IMO. Get to work, boys.

Roots of the 'Chinese Fleeceflower'.
This made me remember the technique for making pear snaps my grandfather told me about.
When the pear is still small, and still attached to the tree, you put a clear glass bottle over it,
and tie the bottle to the branch, so that the pear is now in the bottle.
You then leaver the bottle until the pear has matured, and pour snaps over it.
The point to this story is that the pear takes shape after the bottle.
That lead me to this blog post:

http://stoneartblog.blogspot.com/201...e-know-it.html

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02-22-2011 , 07:56 PM
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Why do they all have the bulge?
(shudder) I don't know...

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This, combined with the fact the roots are apparently sold as remedies for various ailments - many of them presumably bulge-related - might actually be good enough for me.

All the ones pictured are different, though. I suppose the moulds could be once-offs, also, or the pictures chosen so no cast would be shown more than once. But then why would someone make something like the one in spoilers?
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02-22-2011 , 08:11 PM
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But then why would someone make something like the one in spoilers?
I think it's hilarious.
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02-22-2011 , 08:56 PM
Once you get over the initial close resemblance to a pair of dead babies that were left in the garbage for a week in high summer, the picture is sort of funny. If the resemblance remains when you're holding them in your hands, probably less so.
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02-22-2011 , 09:06 PM
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Once you get over the initial close resemblance to a pair of dead babies that were left in the garbage for a week in high summer
Isn't this the funny part?
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02-22-2011 , 09:10 PM
They look like Emmet Till's younger brothers, man. It's funny after the first half-second or so, and yeah, for much the same reason as it's initially jarring.
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02-23-2011 , 12:24 AM
Information on the Roswell Incident including references, from the Skeptical Inquirer Magazine, 2009:


http://www.csicop.org/si/show/return_to_roswell/


A 1997 article from the same magazine:

The Roswell Legacy-http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/roswell_legacy/


By the way, Joe Nickell, the author of the above articles, has a been a paranormal investigator and debunker/skeptic for many years. He has a website:

http://www.joenickell.com/


-Zeno
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02-23-2011 , 01:05 AM
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At least this one definitely looks too symmetrical to have been done purely by nature, imo. Maybe they use some kind of forms to achieve them. The other ones may be a bit assymmetrical on purpose, just to get them look authentic. Probably they have to select the most successful ones too. Don´t think you get something like this from a random material during a whole farmer´s lifetime

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02-23-2011 , 01:15 AM
Yeah, I didn't really think it through on the small percentage of a large crop idea. Unless there's some other reason to grow all those plants, there's no way that could work.

So the middling mundane explanation is gone, leaving only outright fakery and... whatever natural explanation might conceivably exist.
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02-23-2011 , 11:08 AM
I wouldn´t call it total fakery though. Those roots really have grown in that way, even inside a mould. Somewhat amazing. Maybe the roots originally have evolved in a stony environment, so they adapt extremely well to if there is something stopping them, choosing another way to grow.
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03-18-2011 , 06:58 PM
I think the following website deserves a link in this thread (if already linked then a repost is in order):The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) -

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...oundation.html


JREF also has a standing one-million-dollar prize paranormal challenge:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


-Zeno
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03-18-2011 , 09:10 PM
Zeitgeist's Claims Debunked (1 of 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKeKSlXBmR0

Zeitgeist's Claims Debunked (2 of 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDab5MOLjpM
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04-30-2011 , 03:35 AM
purpose of experiment: test whether mediums can indeed interact with the dead.


design an experiment which one could carry out after his death to test that claim. In the process make sure you control for other mechanisms of information transfer such as telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition and scamming. Obviously the experiment has to be prepared before you die.

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04-30-2011 , 03:56 AM
I would tell the medium to tell people I'm alive after I died. "Just feel it" I would tell the medium.

But I don't want to look like a liar, even after my demise.


But OK. I would tell the medium he/she is going to levitate for five minutes when the year changes the following new year's eve after I'm not among us anymore, and that I will repeat that trick every new year's eve until the whole world believes. Imagine the control systems developed by the sceptics the new years following the first!

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04-30-2011 , 04:05 AM
serious question, no one liners please
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04-30-2011 , 04:23 AM
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serious question, no one liners please
I added the four last lines already in my first answer, when editing, maybe you didn't see them.

It may not be possible to design that kind of experiment relieably, if it's just about what the medium tells verbally. Either you can have discussed what the medium ought to say, or then the medium just imagines what you are saying after your death and tells about it. Everything you know, when designing the experiment, you could also tell the medium, and because of that you can't get an experiment thet would convince others.

But if you can break through into the mind of the medium (how are you going to make the chemical reactions and neural impulses in the brain of the medium to change?), why not make the levitation thing, if you are breaking the known laws of nature anyway.

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04-30-2011 , 04:34 AM
think vaults and envelopes and such

There is no known law of nature against psychic phenomena AFAIK

Hodini actually atempted one but his experimental design was poor. Sadly you don't get to try again
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