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05-19-2020 , 01:56 PM

#3376

1&onlybillyshears

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

The error message is too perfect.

On my PC now so I can give you a proper spanking.

This one works fine

https://improvement.nhs.uk/documents...e-31-march.pdf

To be clear this is

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Coronavirus Act – excess death provisions: information and guidance for medical practitioners
31 March 2020

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The Coronavirus Act of Parliament gained Royal Assent on 25 March 2020, and the commencement order for the clauses relating to death certification and cremation forms was signed on 26 March 2020. Guidance and information on these clauses are set out below, along with previous COVID-19 advice issued on 10 March,* included here for completeness.

Relevant citations - my emphasis in bold

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a. Any medical practitioner with GMC registration can sign the MCCD, even if they did not attend the deceased during their last illness, if the following conditions are met:

i. The medical practitioner who attended is unable to sign the MCCD or it is impractical for them to do so and,

ii. the medical practitioner who proposes to sign the MCCD is able to state the cause of death to the best of their knowledge and belief, and

iii. a medical practitioner has attended the deceased (including visual/video consultation) within 28 days before death, or viewed the body in person after death (including for verification).

If another medical practitioner attended the deceased during their last illness or after death, the medical practitioner signing the MCCD should record the name and GMC number of the medical practitioner who attended the deceased during their last illness or after death at the ‘last seen alive’ section of the MCCD.

In addition to (i) to (iii) above, if no medical practitioner attended the deceased in the 28 days before death or after death, a medical practitioner can sign the MCCD if the following conditions are met:

iv. The medical practitioner who proposes to sign the MCCD is able to state the cause of death to the best of their knowledge and belief, and

v. the medical practitioner has obtained agreement from the coroner they can complete the MCCD.
b. Medical practitioners are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. Without diagnostic proof, if appropriate and to avoid delay, medical practitioners can circle ‘2’ in the MCCD (“information from post-mortem may be available later”) or tick Box B on the reverse of the MCCD for ante-mortem investigations. For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID-19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available.

c. The period during which an attending medical practitioner completing an MCCD must have seen the deceased before death (the ‘last seen alive’ requirement) is extended from 14 days to 28 days before death. ‘Seen’ in this context includes consultation using video technology. However, it does not include consultation by telephone/audio only.

d. The MCCD can be scanned or photographed and sent from a secure email account to registrars as an attachment. We recommend electronic transfer of MCCDs is used as standard practice. We expect registrars to determine the appropriate email address – for example, a secure email account.

e. COVID-19 is an acceptable direct or underlying cause of death for the purposes of completing the MCCD.*

2. Registration

a. As noted in 1(d), MCCDs can be scanned or photographed and sent by email to registrars as an attachment. We recommend electronic transfer of MCCDs is used as standard practice to reduce unnecessary contact between individuals and to accelerate processes.

b. Where electronic transfer is not possible, and the next of kin/informant is following self- isolation procedures, please arrange for an alternative informant who has not been in self- isolation to collect the MCCD and deliver to the registrar for registration purposes.

c. An informant can be someone who was present at the death, a hospital official, someone who is ‘in charge of a body’, or a funeral director.

d. If the deceased was not seen in the 28 days before death or after death by a medical practitioner, the MCCD can be completed if the conditions in 1a(iv)-(v) are met, but the death will need to be notified to the coroner. Medical practitioners are encouraged to work with registrars to establish processes to enable registration to be concluded rapidly where the cause of death is clear.

3. Coroners

National guidance regarding notification of deaths to coroners is available here.

a. COVID-19 is not a reason on its own to refer a death to a coroner under the Coroners and

Justice Act 2009.*

b. The fact that COVID-19 is a notifiable disease under the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010 does not mean referral to a coroner is required by virtue of its notifiable status.*

c. Where an attending medical practitioner cannot complete an MCCD (or the attending medical practitioner is unable to complete it in a timely manner), the death should only be notified to the coroner if there is no other medical practitioner who can complete the MCCD as outlined at Section 1 above.

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05-19-2020 , 02:09 PM

#3377

1&onlybillyshears

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

Here's the funny thing about this:

You guys are literally one degree of separation from having legal documents that confirm the conspiracy theory. But all that's happening is posting on a poker website about it. I wonder why that is.

Spoiler:

Well you clearly either (a) have not read the guidance or (B) do not understand the guidance because if you did you would realise you have not a chance in hell of successfully challenging the authorities (in the UK at least) over this.

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05-20-2020 , 02:10 PM

#3378

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There looks like a correlation between where cv is and where 5g has been rolled out...

You decide:

https://youtu.be/NI4Awztf9NM

Let’s say 5g is safe.. does anyone actually think we need faster internet? I just can’t fathom people needlessly wanting faster internet if it could have potential harm.

Covid = certificate of vaccine ID

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05-20-2020 , 02:47 PM

#3379

rjr777

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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich

You can't think of any other reason people near 5G would be more at risk of catching viruses?

No.. I would Say population density but India/brazil are some of the most densely populated areas.

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05-20-2020 , 02:54 PM

#3380

PairTheBoard

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Covid cases in India (zero 5G towers)

https://www.google.com/search?source...4dUDCAg&uact=5

PairTheBoard

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05-20-2020 , 03:02 PM

#3381

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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard

Covid cases in India (zero 5G towers)

https://www.google.com/search?source...4dUDCAg&uact=5

PairTheBoard

That’s a low number and helps my case.. it’s pretty easy to explain why there would be cases in countries without 5g. Travel at any time between countries.

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05-20-2020 , 03:15 PM

#3382

MacOneDouble

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Originally Posted by rjr777

There looks like a correlation between where cv is and where 5g has been rolled out...

You decide:

https://youtu.be/NI4Awztf9NM

Let’s say 5g is safe.. does anyone actually think we need faster internet? I just can’t fathom people needlessly wanting faster internet if it could have potential harm.

Covid = certificate of vaccine ID

Faster wired broadband? Not really. Faster mobile broadband? Yes, of course.

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05-21-2020 , 05:35 PM

#3383

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Truck load of 5G information and links

https://mdsafetech.org/5g-telecommunications-science/

Declassified military studies 1970s show millimetre wavelengths is rather dangerous, but

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there has been no independent safety testing of 5G before it is rolled out.

Swiss roll out (oh jeez)

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As soon as the antennas were installed, several residents and entire families in the heart of Geneva reported similar unusual symptoms of loud ringing in the ear, intense headaches, unbearable earaches, insomnia, chest pain, fatigue and not feeling well in the house. 29-year-old Geneva resident, Johan Perruchoud, called up Swisscom and was told that indeed the 5G cell towers were activated on the same day he began to feel the symptoms. When others called Swisscom they were told everything is legal and within guidelines.

Isn't it wonderful?

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05-21-2020 , 10:49 PM

#3384

PairTheBoard

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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears

Truck load of 5G information and links

https://mdsafetech.org/5g-telecommunications-science/

This looks worrisome. There seems to be a lot of legitimate science questioning the safety of 5G. The standard argument that these frequencies of EMR won't knock electrons off molecules so can't hurt life is countered by the argument that there are other ways they can **** with us. Would be nice to see a non-strawman other side to this story.

PairTheBoard

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05-23-2020 , 04:13 AM

#3385

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I see someone just had a force vaccination thread deleted in politics.

Gates funded Moderna vaccine celebrated by Fauci as having caused no damage to primates and ferrets in fact caused damage to 3 out of 15 of the "very healthy" human test subjects. Oops.

https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/05/ca...ne-by-moderna/

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05-23-2020 , 08:26 AM

#3386

rjr777

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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears

Any suggestions on a better forum to discuss this type of stuff?

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05-23-2020 , 08:37 AM

#3387

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Originally Posted by rjr777

Any suggestions on a better forum to discuss this type of stuff?

You can use the Luckbox vs Media thread in Politics to talk about forced vaccination stuff and I think WN will let it go. The topic has been broached there already.

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05-23-2020 , 08:57 AM

#3388

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What and have that tool "Monteroy" allowed to talk rubbish and troll while I who follows forum rules and engages seriously gets banned for no reason whatsoever except that some little hand sanitising snowflake threw his toys out of the pram. Speaking of which, I see "portland anti fascists, screw the system and f the police yo" has shifted its production lines from drugs and fake campaigns to producing hand sanitiser.

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05-23-2020 , 09:03 AM

#3389

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Originally Posted by rjr777

Any suggestions on a better forum to discuss this type of stuff?

Twitter is pretty good for just getting hold of relevant articles but not what I'd call 'discussion'.

Off-guardian.org has comments section and that is open to debate given that its creators were themselves banned from the guardian comments.
EU long term vaccinations planned well before covid - article and what looks a well attended discussion in the comments thread -
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/22/...rt-since-2018/

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05-23-2020 , 09:06 AM

#3390

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The Kennedy article being discussed in that thread
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/22/...comment-177796

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05-23-2020 , 09:10 AM

#3391

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Just ignore Monteroy. He's actually a smart guy who unfortunately seems to have decided to choose his world view based on whatever the majority of people believe--not really the most logical of rationales but he writes well.
I made a post there just now on the importance of the topic and WN can't ban you if you're able to back up arguments.
Also--not too surprising about antifa.
But if there is going to be censorship of relevant political topics then that has to be met head-on.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 05-23-2020 at 09:17 AM.

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05-23-2020 , 10:34 AM

#3392

rjr777

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Thanks for the responses Luckbox and billy

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05-24-2020 , 06:36 PM

#3393

rjr777

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Things just got interesting...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtn...h-testing/amp/

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05-24-2020 , 07:53 PM

#3394

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Originally Posted by rjr777

Things just got interesting...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtn...h-testing/amp/

A town of less than 10,000 people pass an ordinance based in fear? *shocked*

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The American Academy of Pediatrics ... have advised the federal communication commission to test the long-term safety of 5G technology.

Can you provide a link to that statement?

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05-24-2020 , 09:13 PM

#3395

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

A town of less than 10,000 people pass an ordinance based in fear? *shocked*

This is one of the smartest and richest towns in the US

Can you provide a link to that statement?

Lmao.. you want me to provide a link to a statement made by a major news outlet?

You have the news outlet right there.. they’re an affiliate of ABC.

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05-25-2020 , 11:59 AM

#3396

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Going to respectfully disagree re Mont. I am pretty sure he is in this thread under the pseudonym UsernameTaken, he made a couple of 'clever' comments that were just ad homs, then disappeared. If I am wrong about that, I will happily retract - that is the difference, some people do not want to better themselves, others do. However I would bet maybe 50 euros it is him.

I also dealt with him in the other thread after a rare occasion when he opened his mouth and revealed a point of view rather than simply insulting other posters. Conveniently for him WN deleted the whole thing and I basically cannot post there. He knows this yet still continues to needle me in absence.

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05-25-2020 , 03:36 PM

#3397

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Originally Posted by rjr777

Lmao.. you want me to provide a link to a statement made by a major news outlet?

WTNH8 New Hampshire is not a "major news outlet." Local affiliates reporting on local news are not held to a national standard.

I wanted to see whether you even bothered doing any research or if you simply posted it because you agreed with it. I can find no statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics specifically regarding 5G technology.

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05-25-2020 , 04:30 PM

#3398

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Originally Posted by rjr777

Things just got interesting...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtn...h-testing/amp/

Did you find their NASA article below interesting as well?

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05-25-2020 , 05:26 PM

#3399

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

That channel is an affiliate of ABC a major news outlet.. this isn’t debatable. Not interested in arguing semantics.

I can not find a statement either but I didn’t write it. I’m showing you a local news story make of it what you want.

I just find it interesting that any town would try and stop 5g. This is not a conspiracy it’s actual news.