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08-09-2019 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
How old do you think earth is?
Old as dirt
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08-09-2019 , 05:29 PM
99.3% U238 vs 0.7% U235 can help offer a clue that this system's matter is order 6.5 bil years old. The ratio starts as near 1:1 at the beginning. The planet itself is near 4.5 bil. But using isotopes to go back to the supernova that gave all the higher elements is very cool way to figure out age without having to trust anyone telling you the age.
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08-09-2019 , 06:35 PM
Dirt is matter, so I’ve been proven correct scientifically.

Now, seriously folks, let’s get serious answers to these questions:

1. How long before the apex predator sharks learn big defenseless mammals congregate in the shallow water every summer and end beach vacations for good?

2. True/False: The evolution of six inch ants would end the mammalian epoch.

https://youtu.be/Oc56_-wuPVc
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08-10-2019 , 12:39 AM
How long till big intelligent mammals that already control the planet change the DNA of sharks to be unable to do these things and then kills all that do not have such DNA with a virus tailored for the ones that are smart the bad way but keeps a few of the original type in artificial big lakes where there is salt content high enough to imitate oceans as a hedge against arrogance.
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08-10-2019 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bluto
Dirt is matter, so I’ve been proven correct scientifically.

Now, seriously folks, let’s get serious answers to these questions:

1. How long before the apex predator sharks learn big defenseless mammals congregate in the shallow water every summer and end beach vacations for good?

2. True/False: The evolution of six inch ants would end the mammalian epoch.

https://youtu.be/Oc56_-wuPVc
1. we would make a birds nest tower maned with a rifle and shoot the sharks, or we would put up water fences to keep them out. Its probably best for us if we kill a shark that comes to shallow water and bites humans, so the answer to your question is never.

2. false. we have domain over the insects with no common cause and capricious purpose. If there was common cause among humans to get rid of 6" ants they would be gotten rid of -- quickly.
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08-10-2019 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
1. we would make a birds nest tower maned with a rifle and shoot the sharks, or we would put up water fences to keep them out. Its probably best for us if we kill a shark that comes to shallow water and bites humans, so the answer to your question is never.

2. false. we have domain over the insects with no common cause and capricious purpose. If there was common cause among humans to get rid of 6" ants they would be gotten rid of -- quickly.
1. I agree completely, already occurs in s. Africa (the fencing at least). I’m asking how long before it becomes an issue.

2. “Common cause” is the big issue. If the ant species evolves in the congo, for example, it will likely have cryptozoological status for...years? Decades? Even after the first raids wipe out a logging operation, which it likely could without leaving any evidence, how long before anyone takes reports of giant ants seriously? Especially in an area full of war and violence?

Even if you proved they existed, as long as they stayed in the Congo and ate the occasional brown person, who’d care? Scientists and environmentalists would short sightedly lobby for their protection. Even when the first queens found their way to Brazzaville and a park or factory is over run, the emphasis would be on control and not eradication. The species could be unstoppable at that point.

Even now, is there world mobilization when Ebola breaks out? This is a classic World War Z scenario

Our only hope would be to breed somewhat smaller ants. Because of their tactics, smaller ants often have the advantage

Last edited by bluto; 08-10-2019 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Giant ants
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08-10-2019 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bluto
1. I agree completely, already occurs in s. Africa (the fencing at least). I’m asking how long before it becomes an issue.

2. “Common cause” is the big issue. If the ant species evolves in the congo, for example, it will likely have cryptozoological status for...years? Decades? Even after the first raids wipe out a logging operation, which it likely could without leaving any evidence, how long before anyone takes reports of giant ants seriously? Especially in an area full of war and violence?

Even if you proved they existed, as long as they stayed in the Congo and ate the occasional brown person, who’d care? Scientists and environmentalists would short sightedly lobby for their protection. Even when the first queens found their way to Brazzaville and a park or factory is over run, the emphasis would be on control and not eradication. The species could be unstoppable at that point.

Even now, is there world mobilization when Ebola breaks out? This is a classic World War Z scenario

Our only hope would be to breed somewhat smaller ants. Because of their tactics, smaller ants often have the advantage
1. it will never be an issue. we could set shark traps and kill any / all sharks that came near a shoreline if we wanted. we could make them go extinct if we really wanted. there is nothing to worry about here.

2. we mobilize as much as is needed and (hopefully) no more. we did hardly anything, relative to what we could have done, to prevent the spread of ebola in first world nations and it worked. If the problem was bigger the response would have been bigger in proportion. If you think ants have any chance vs humans your working off of some very big and very wrong assumptions somewhere in your thinking.

Look at how the USA rallied in ww2. The number of factories dedicated to the production of killing machines, etc. The argument you are trying to defend is setting you up for an impossible challenge.

Last edited by Ryanb9; 08-10-2019 at 01:38 PM.
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08-12-2019 , 05:41 PM
Unsurprising to see Masque grasping at straws while insisting that he is the one giving the education.
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08-13-2019 , 12:55 AM
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Unsurprising to see Masque grasping at straws while insisting that he is the one giving the education.
Says who exactly? The guy that thinks aliens built San Francisco or past human civilizations thousands of years ago?

Usurprising to see conveniently hidden in anonymity weirdos looking to pick up trolling fights in 2+2. How are you doing with your concave polygons?
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08-18-2019 , 10:19 AM
There is at least some evidence that psi “powers” like remote viewing, predilection, and telepathy could be actual phenomena. By no means proven, but interesting results.

Without discussing whether it’s real, or the mechanics of how psi could work, has any known poker player ever admitted to trying to develop an latent “powers” to help them at the table?
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08-19-2019 , 08:03 AM
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There is at least some evidence
Cite some please
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08-19-2019 , 06:53 PM
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Cite some please
No

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Without discussing whether it’s real, or the mechanics of how psi could work
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08-20-2019 , 05:07 AM
Why bother making the claim about interesting results if you aren't willing to share. So we find out x player tried to develop mind reading capabilities based on research, but let's not discuss the research he used.
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08-20-2019 , 06:00 AM
You’re not the boss of what question I ask
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08-20-2019 , 06:26 AM
I can have my team look into it but just to clarify, do you mean anyone making a living playing poker or poker celebrities? Thanks.

- Tom Cruise
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09-15-2019 , 09:06 AM
We’ve all heard people say things like “I would’ve flopped a full house if I hadn’t folded.” This seems like faulty thinking.

From a quantum physics perspective, the decision to fold is an inflection point (I made that up). Each option leads to a different “universe.” Deciding to stay in the hand would likely lead to a completely different flop.

Is this an accurate way to think about this?
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09-15-2019 , 09:44 AM
That's correct, yes
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09-15-2019 , 11:24 AM
That’s good. I don’t recommend bringing this discussion up at a five dollar blackjack table, especially if you don’t care about playing the “right” way. Your table mates will fite you
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09-15-2019 , 11:57 AM
Okay, I won't
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10-04-2019 , 12:26 PM
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The effect of CO2 in the atmosphere is fact. There has been plenty of experimentation that proves the general effect - from that we know for instance that "greenhouse gases" are the reason planets are so much warmer than would be expected based on the energy the planet receives from the Sun (and why the surface of Venus is warmer than Mercury despite being further from the Sun).

We know very specifically the effect that CO2, water vapour, methane etc. have when it comes to absorption of IR energy from experimentation and models are very accurate when it comes to measuring the effect on global temperatures. What is far harder to model is any specific change - either in regional temperatures or specific effects of the temperature increases.

The idea that there is no proof of the way in which CO2 et al effect the climate is nonsense.
Above is from climate change thread in politics. Felt my response would sit better down here in the basement.

Ideas of planets, planetary distances, surfaces of planets, distances to the sun, what the sun is etc has no experimental basis, obviously. These concepts are based on presuppostion, there is no experiment here, science cannot be claimed. 'model' and 'experimentation' are not the same thing and can be mutually exclusive in certain contexts, eg a model assuming a hypothesis is already correct without an experiment being carried out.
My argument is there is "no scientific proof of climate change caused by CO2 emissions from burning of fossil fuels." without experiment, there is no scientific proof.
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10-05-2019 , 06:56 AM
How about you set an experiment up yourself? Like keep your car engine running in a closed garage while being in the garage. I'd be interested in your results.
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10-05-2019 , 02:20 PM
Don't have a garage, or a car. So there.
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10-05-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Don't have a garage, or a car. So there.
This shows no dedication to testing for the truth... How lazy!
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10-05-2019 , 04:15 PM
Would anyone be surprised if billy was accessing 2+2 from a public library and living under a bridge?
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10-06-2019 , 09:44 AM
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Would anyone be surprised if billy was accessing 2+2 from a public library and living under a bridge?
My money is on a t680.
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