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11-08-2011 , 05:28 PM
Ok, so going your route:

You need to show that (n+1)^n / n^n >= 2 for n = 1, 2, ...

My method for this:
1) Show that it's true when n=1.
2) Consider f(x) = (1+1/x)^x, and show that its derivative is positive for x > 1 [hence it is increasing].
2a) You may wish to note that the Taylor Series for ln(1+x) = x - x^2/2 + ..., which is alternating, hence: ln(1+x) >= x - x^2/2 for x > 0.

Once you've proved this fact, you can say (as you did in a backwards way in your LaTeX above):
(n+1)^n / n^n >= 2
so (n+1)^n >= 2*n^n
so ((n+1)/2)^n >= 2*(n/2)^n >= n! by the inductive hypothesis.

Now you can multiply both sides by n+1 and clean up the left to finish off your proof.

Last edited by Wyman; 11-08-2011 at 05:28 PM. Reason: real men prove inequalities without wikipedia :p
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11-08-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wyman
My method for this:
1) Show that it's true when n=1.
2) Consider f(x) = (1+1/x)^x, and show that its derivative is positive for x > 1 [hence it is increasing].
I thought about that and it's pretty obvious but we haven't talked about functions yet, so I tried to do it via induction.

Thanks everyone
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11-08-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flipzforchipz
But phi(4) = 2, since Z4* = {1,3}, which has two elements.
phi(p) = p-1 only when p is prime.

Is there a different way to derive the four unique solutions?
I goofed. phi(4) = 2 => 2 elements order 4. Also -1 has order 2, which is the 4th root you're looking for!
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11-09-2011 , 11:50 AM
Would be great if someone could help me with this assignment:

Be X a countable Set. Prove that {Y ⊆ X : Y finite} is countable.

Thanks in advance!
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11-09-2011 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Borg7
Would be great if someone could help me with this assignment:

Be X a countable Set. Prove that {Y ⊆ X : Y finite} is countable.

Thanks in advance!
You can use a coding of finite sets of numbers (for example the Godel beta function). This is a bijective function from the finite powerset of N to N.
You can also use the Cantor pairing function repeatedly, sending a subset {n_1,..., n_k} to <k,<n_1,<n_2,...<n_{k-1},n_k>...>
where <x,y> is the pairing of x and y. This is less elegant, but you only need an injective function to prove the statement.
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11-09-2011 , 12:07 PM
|X| is countable
Y c X => |Y|=< |X| => |Y| countable
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11-09-2011 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sven2812
|X| is countable
Y c X => |Y|=< |X| => |Y| countable
That wasn't the question. The question is whether the set of finite subsets of N is countable. (More generally, the cardinality of the finite powerset of X is equal to the cardinality of X.)
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11-09-2011 , 12:10 PM
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|X| is countable
Y c X => |Y|=< |X| => |Y| countable
You've severely misread the problem.
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11-09-2011 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tartufo
You can use a coding of finite sets of numbers (for example the Godel beta function). This is a bijective function from the finite powerset of N to N.
You can also use the Cantor pairing function repeatedly, sending a subset {n_1,..., n_k} to <k,<n_1,<n_2,...<n_{k-1},n_k>...>
where <x,y> is the pairing of x and y. This is less elegant, but you only need an injective function to prove the statement.
I don't really understand this proof yet. Do you mind further elaborating on it?

Thank you.
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11-09-2011 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Borg7
I don't really understand this proof yet. Do you mind further elaborating on it?

Thank you.
Have you seen the bijective Cantor pairing function NxN-->N?

(I'm happy to elaborate but first I need to know where you're at.)
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11-09-2011 , 04:08 PM
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Have you seen the bijective Cantor pairing function NxN-->N?

(I'm happy to elaborate but first I need to know where you're at.)
No, sorry, I haven't seen the bijective Cantor pairing function.
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11-09-2011 , 04:16 PM
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No, sorry, I haven't seen the bijective Cantor pairing function.
What class is this for? What have you been learning about? What kind of examples similar to this have you done?

This is a homework assignment, so I'm assuming you're not just supposed to redevelop arguments Cantor made without at least a push in the right direction.
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11-09-2011 , 04:17 PM
Ok, I'll avoid that for now but it's probably useful to look at because it is a simpler version of your problem.

What you need is an injective function from P_f(N) to N, where P_f(N) is the set of finite subsets of N. This means that you need a way of taking a finite subset A={n_1,...,n_k} of N and associate to it a natural number phi(A) in such a way that you associate different numbers to different subsets.

There are many ways of achieving this, but here is one (modulo a few little technical details): write v(i) for p_i^{n_i}, where p_i is the i-th prime number. Then let

phi(A)=\prod_{0 \leq i \leq k} v(i)

be the product of these v(i).

For example, the set of numbers A={4,3,8} will get sent to 2^4 x 3^3 x 5^8.
The reason this works well is because we can factor any number n as
n=\prod_i p_i^{n_i}
uniquely.

It is therefore straightforward to check that this phi is injective. (You do need to extend the definition to include the empty set though, but that is easy.)
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11-09-2011 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Wyman
You've severely misread the problem.
yep realized it now.
english is not my first language and i am especially bad at math vocabulary in english
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11-10-2011 , 08:41 AM
We can also prove #1 directly.


with * because of (a^2+b^2)/2 >= ab

Last edited by Alex Wice; 11-10-2011 at 09:04 AM.
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11-10-2011 , 05:32 PM
Simple stats question that IDK how to complete. I am trying to test a hypothesis and am given the following. N=48, sample mean=57%, alpha=.05, population mean=76%. z score is 2.1 on a two tailed normal distribution curve. I can do this with integers and a giving standard deviation, but didn't know wtf to do with these percentage values. Thanks.
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11-10-2011 , 08:34 PM
I'm supposed to factor the difference of two squares

81x^4-1
=(9x^2-1)(9x^2+1)

I don't think that is the correct answer but what am I doing wrong?

Last edited by Acemanhattan; 11-10-2011 at 08:52 PM. Reason: wrote: 81x^2 instead of 81x^4
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11-10-2011 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Acemanhattan
I'm supposed to factor the difference of two squares

81x^2-1
=(9x^2-1)(9x^2+1)

I don't think that is the correct answer but what am I doing wrong?
It's correct; it's just that there's a *more* correct answer . Hint: one of the two terms you have can be factored again in exactly the same way.
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11-10-2011 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Acemanhattan
I'm supposed to factor the difference of two squares

81x^2-1
=(9x^2-1)(9x^2+1)

I don't think that is the correct answer but what am I doing wrong?
81x^2 - 1 = (9x - 1)(9x + 1)
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11-10-2011 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sven2812
Ok I did induction and get this:



but I don't know what to do here.
Probably use Bernoulli's inequation.
But idk how to apply it here.
Rearranging shows this is equivalent to:

(1 + 1/n)^n >= 2.

To prove this, just use the binomial theorem to expand the LHS. The first two terms are 1 + 1, and every other term is positive.

Last edited by slipstream; 11-10-2011 at 08:54 PM.
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11-10-2011 , 08:50 PM
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It's correct; it's just that there's a *more* correct answer . Hint: one of the two terms you have can be factored again in exactly the same way.
aaah I got it. There's a difference of a square in the first term.

= (3x-1)(3x+1)(9x^2+1)
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11-10-2011 , 08:50 PM
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We can also prove #1 directly.


with * because of (a^2+b^2)/2 >= ab
Ooh, very nice.
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11-10-2011 , 09:54 PM
9x^2=30x-25
9x^2-30x+25=0

I can't figure out how to factor from here.
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11-10-2011 , 09:59 PM
2 ways: One is pick factors of 9 (say 9 & 1 or 3 & 3) and write out (9x+a)(x+b) or (3x+a)(3x+b) and find an a & b that work.

The other is to use the quadratic formula, find the roots (a, b) and write this as 9(x-a)(x-b).
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11-10-2011 , 10:25 PM
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2 ways: One is pick factors of 9 (say 9 & 1 or 3 & 3) and write out (9x+a)(x+b) or (3x+a)(3x+b) and find an a & b that work.

The other is to use the quadratic formula, find the roots (a, b) and write this as 9(x-a)(x-b).
I feel like this is a good response, but that it assumes I know more than I do.

The problem I am having here is that the way I learned it i multiply 9*25 (first number and last number) and find the factors of that number that have a sum of 30 (the middle number). This is no problem for me most of the time, for example:

4x^2-12x+9 = 0
4x^2-6x-6x+9 =0
2x(2x-3) -3(2x-3) = 0
(2x-3)(2x-3) = 0
(2x-3)^2=0
2x-3=0
2x=3
x=3/2

The reason I can't do this problem is that the product of 9*25 doesn't have factors who's sum is 30.

I assume that what you wrote up there shows me how to find what I am looking for, but I really don't understand it. Specifically what A and B are in this equation. 9(x-3)(x-5) Is what seems intuitive based on what you wrote and what I see in the equation. I don't know why the 9 is singled out though, and I don't know how the 30x from my equation is equated for with the expression 9(x-3)(x-5)


edit to add: -15 * -15 = 225 -15 + -15 = -30. So I'll be able to do it now, but I still would like a little clarification about your post.

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