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05-12-2010 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Snaaak
are you guys serious?

3, 8, 18, 30, 70

the next number is obviously 150, the difference doubles every step...
this is the answer i think. and the middle number should be 20
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05-12-2010 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Snaaak
are you guys serious?

3, 8, 18, 30, 70

the next number is obviously 150, the difference doubles every step...

Except, you know, it doesn't.

Incresingly leaning towards the wrong numbers theory, either by the OP misremembering or the question setter messing it up.
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05-12-2010 , 08:00 AM
im not sure if this is a simplification of my previous post but if s1 is 3,8,18 the differances double.

s2 begins 30,70 the differance is 40 therefore the next differance is 40*2, then 70+80=150.
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05-12-2010 , 08:33 AM
I love the epic fail ITT. "It's obviously this, geebus!" and it's clearly wrong. It may have taken them 5 minutes to figure out the "right" (*ahem* wrong) equation but it takes us less than 10 seconds to determine that it's wrong. nihan sirs.
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05-12-2010 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by korova
im not sure if this is a simplification of my previous post but if s1 is 3,8,18 the differances double.

s2 begins 30,70 the differance is 40 therefore the next differance is 40*2, then 70+80=150.
What's the next number in this sequence?

1,5,28,49,132

...it's CLEARLY 199.

Why? It's 6 different sets each starting with an arbitrary number!

EASY!
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05-12-2010 , 08:37 AM
The first 4 in the sequence are formed by adding pairs of consecutive prime numbers ( 1+2=3, 3+5=8, 7+11=18, 13+17=30 ). After that it breaks, as we have to skip some to factor 70 or 150 from primes.
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05-12-2010 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
The first 4 in the sequence are formed by adding pairs of consecutive prime numbers ( 1+2=3, 3+5=8, 7+11=18, 13+17=30 ). After that it breaks, as we have to skip some to factor 70 or 150 from primes.
Well, 1 should really not be considered a prime, and Emil Skraps beat you to it:
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Originally Posted by Emil Skraps
can we make the 70 a 42? then i've got something.
I would love to know the source or at least the context of the problem. E.g: was it a part of a timed test? Was it considered one of the harder problems, or in a easier section? Multiple choice? At this point the answer seems to be "the sum of u(1)+u(2)+...+u(n) of the sequence in the previous two problems" or something similar.
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05-12-2010 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
The first 4 in the sequence are formed by adding pairs of consecutive prime numbers ( 1+2=3, 3+5=8, 7+11=18, 13+17=30 ). After that it breaks, as we have to skip some to factor 70 or 150 from primes.
I noticed that too (BTW 1 isn't prime). Also, the first 4 numbers are 1 more than every 3rd prime starting with 2: (3=2+1, 8=7+1, 18=17+1, 30=29+1), but 69 isn't even prime.
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05-12-2010 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceZ
but 69 isn't even prime.
then ur doing it wrong
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05-12-2010 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Emil Skraps
then ur doing it wrong
lol, ba-boom ching
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05-22-2010 , 08:03 PM
I was really curious and wanted to see the answer...
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05-22-2010 , 11:31 PM
I absolutely need to get a life... I've spent most of my Saturday night on this problem but I think I've got the answer... I've dug really deep though, I might be completely off... Here is my logic.

Spoiler:
The sequence is : 3 8 18 30 70 a b

According to my calculation, a = 112 and b = 192. Here is how I get there. It's pretty sick... English is not my first language so I apologize if some terms are not really appropriate...

3 8 18 30 70
(1x3) (1x8 2x4) (1x18 2x9 3x6) (1x30 2x15 3x10 5x6) (1x70 2x35 5x14 7x10)

I have basically shown here all the multipliers (direct translation from French here...). Now I realised that there were a logic between the common denominators of the numbers. Every number has a common denominator with the following number in the sequence. For instance, 2 is a denominator to both 8 and 18.

It would be possible to know what the missing numbers are (a and b...) if we knew a couple of their multipliers... So we have something here. This is the logical sequence I have come up to :

(1*x3) (1*x8) to (2*x4) (2*x9) to (6*x3) (6*x5) to (5*x6) (5*x14) to (7*x10) (x* y)

(I cannot be sure if (7*x10) is the right way to continue, but I felt strongly it was. It turned out it was.)

This is still the same initial number sequence, but expressed differently. Note that the * is to show the common denominator.

So now I felt strongly that "a" was a multiplier of either 7 or 10. Now I had to find a logical way to find the possible value of the other common denominator. Here is the sequence once more with an added feature :

3 (+5) 8 (+10) 18 (+12) 30 (+40) 70 (+z) a

This is basically the difference between every following number. This is obviously the first thing we looked at when we tried to resolve this sequence lol and it turns out to be important. Obviously, if I could find a value to z, the problem would be solved right away. Earlier, I showed how it was possible to find a logical way to pass from 3 to 8, then to 18 etc. with 1 of the common denominator. This is where we'll use the 2nd denominator ! Once again :

(1*x3) (1*x8) to (2*x4) (2*x9) to (6*x3) (6*x5) to (5*x6) (5*x14) to (7*x10) (x* y)

I'll switch the * to the other number...

(1x3*) (1x8*) to (2x4*) (2x9*) to (6x3*) (6x5*) to (5x6*) (5x14*) to (7x10*) (x y*)

Let's make couples ! (logically...) Since we're gonna be using the difference between every number, jumping from 3 to 8, 8 to 18... We'll try to see if there is some recurence when we jump from 1 number of the sequence to the following with the common denominator... Here is the sequence expressed in the various forms seen so far...


1 2 6 5 7* (common denominators)

(3,8) (4,9) (3,5) (6,14) (10,y) (other multipliers)

(+5) (+10) (+12) (+40) (+z) (differencial)

3 8 18 30 70 a (initial sequence)


Here comes the magic...

1 x (8-3) = 5
2 x (9-4) = 10
6 x (5-3) = 12
5 x (14-6) = 40

Therefore :

7 x (y-10) = z
70 + z = a
a = 7y

Now there are many ways of finding out the answer with these 3 equations... I'll just give you the answer.

a = 112
z = 42
y = 16

And you can use the same logic to find the value of b... Basically, we are now stuck with 112 = (7x16). This is equal to (14x8). The common denominator would be 8. So (8 y). You end up with the following :

b=192
z=80
y=24

AND SO

THE ANSWER TO THE NUMBER SEQUENCE IS :

3 8 18 30 70 112 192.

Last edited by jimbo89; 05-22-2010 at 11:54 PM.
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05-22-2010 , 11:55 PM
Without giving it too much thought, I'm pretty sure your formula does not produce unique sequences, but could have multiple terms in place of the ones in the given sequence. If it is not a 1:1 relation to the series it can't be the solution. We could come up with many contrived 1-way transformations that work with this sequence being but one of their solutions. I think this one is unintentionally contrived.

The problem was evidently misprinted anyway, and has no solution. OP says the given solution was 150, not 112.

Last edited by spadebidder; 05-23-2010 at 12:02 AM. Reason: and if your post was an elaborate level, wps
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05-23-2010 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Wow. Where did you come up with that link? I have no idea why, but I bookmarked it! -lol.
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05-23-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by EjackulEight
I did an IQ test today, in it was a number sequence problem which I simply just cannot work out the answer to - and has been grating my mind all day.

3, 8, 18, 30, 70, ?,

I really can't see the solution to it, maybe a fresh pair of eyes will see it.
i got 150,
the difference between
3 8 = 5
8 18 = 10
18 13 = 12
30 70 = 40

So the pattern is +x, +2x, +y, +z, +? 2z makes most sense
and 2z = 80, 70+80 = 150
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05-23-2010 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GotThatWood
i got 150,
the difference between
3 8 = 5
8 18 = 10
18 13 = 12
30 70 = 40

So the pattern is +x, +2x, +y, +z, +? 2z makes most sense
and 2z = 80, 70+80 = 150
You prove my point about a purely contrived pattern. Why not 2y instead of 2z? Why not y+z? We can make up anything to match a desired solution.
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05-23-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
You prove my point about a contrived pattern. Why not 2y instead of 2z? Why not y+z? We can make up anything.
the 5th has to complete the pattern. And they can't be asking you the question to some random ass pattern. So the pattern has to make sense.

so 2y how da **** u going to get that, or 3y none of this is possible to get.
but 2z
Cause the 1st one is 5 then it goes to 10
then theres some random ass number
then its 40, then its going to jump to 80
3rd number counts for ****.

like 1,2,1059,3,?
the last one is going to be 4, not 9 or 1054 or 6 or 0, 4 is the only predictable 5th number
ok what they did was the pattern doubles
5 10 20 40 80
but instead its a pattern that doubles but they made the 3rd number irrelevant
5 10 1059 40 ?
80 is the 5th
its like they said the 3rd number is x instead of an actual number

Last edited by GotThatWood; 05-23-2010 at 12:39 AM.
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05-23-2010 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GotThatWood
the 5th has to complete the pattern. And they can't be asking you the question to some random ass pattern. So the pattern has to make sense.

so 2y how da **** u going to get that, or 3y none of this is possible to get.
but 2z
Cause the 1st one is 5 then it goes to 10
then theres some random ass number
then its 40, then its going to jump to 80
3rd number counts for ****.

like 1,2,1059,3,?
the last one is going to be 4, not 9 or 1054 or 6 or 0, 4 is the only predictable 5th number
ok what they did was the pattern doubles
5 10 20 40 80
but instead its a pattern that doubles but they made the 3rd number irrelevant
5 10 1059 40 ?
80 is the 5th
its like they said the 3rd number is x instead of an actual number
Nice level.

Last edited by ctyri; 05-23-2010 at 12:43 AM. Reason: For your sake, I hope.
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05-23-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
Nice level.
lol im serious
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05-23-2010 , 01:17 AM
gfto gtw. throwing in a random ass number nullifies it as a pattern
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05-23-2010 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Wow. Where did you come up with that link? I have no idea why, but I bookmarked it! -lol.
http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/Seis.html

The encyclopedia of sequences is a resource that some mathematicians use for formulating conjectures. For some problems, they do a few small computations (of things that lead to integer values) and then they look up the sequence on the encyclopedia. The encyclopedia gives the researcher a few potential "next terms" and then the mathematician performs the next computation. If there is a match, it becomes a conjecture and provides them with reasonable place to look for methods of proof.
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05-23-2010 , 07:25 PM
How's this?

0x+3,0x+8,0x+18,1x+38,1x+78,1x+158

x = -8

+5, +10, +20, +40, +80

Without a 7th digit, it's difficult to verify the increasing x value by 3 numerical increments, but it makes some sense.
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05-23-2010 , 08:57 PM
lol would anyone bother commenting my ****ing solution !?
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05-23-2010 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by EjackulEight
I did an IQ test today, in it was a number sequence problem which I simply just cannot work out the answer to - and has been grating my mind all day.

3, 8, 18, 30, 70, ?,

I really can't see the solution to it, maybe a fresh pair of eyes will see it.

Lol this is easy the answer is sporting.

3 stumps in a cricket wicket
8 legs on a snooker table
18 holes on a golf course
30 player in a game of rugby
70 scoring zones on a dart board.

I got it in a few minutes
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05-23-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo89
lol would anyone bother commenting my ****ing solution !?
Yea, it sucks.
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