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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Screw this and take a Putnam test and ace it instead. At some point the testers are idiotic brains compared to the one tested in some sense often enough to make tests limited and only good in detecting high IQ some of the time not always. I also think time should be irrelevant in IQ tests or they should create tests that allow more time to reward the kind of brain that cares profoundly for not being wrong often rather than being fast. As one matures in life immersed in science they transition to caring for deeper thinking than quick and dirty solutions. That can be punishing in tests that are timed stressed. If you know 10000 things and you are asked to identify them in solutions you will take more time than if you know 100. If they ask both the 100 and the 10000 person topics found in say the 100 subset then the 10000 person is compromised even if better brain eventually. Also as you get older your speed declines for many reasons some of which having to do with being actually better thinker now that is less reckless and more imaginative but if they do not probe that extra range you have developed then you appear weaker. On a good day you will score higher though. So maybe testing 100s of times per year is better than a single time in order to find the truth because clarity and brilliance can vary with time during a year.
Lets make it more interesting instead
https://www.maa.org/sites/default/fi...amProblems.pdf
Also take the one Feynman aced in 1939
https://prase.cz/kalva/putnam/putn39.html
The median score in these tests is yes indeed 0
Try this also where you may find problems seen before here (but at later times than the originals there)
https://www.physics.harvard.edu/undergrad/problems
Ps1: F##K multiple choice by the way born out of inability to find graders and pay them properly for a terrible job lol. You learn more by answers that have no choices offered.
Ps2: In math and science elegant fast solutions are appreciated in competitions. But solutions that are seemingly complicated and appear to be unstoppable tend to impress me more because they indicate a confident resilient fighter. Do you want a brilliant mind that has sporadic moments of glory or a brilliant mind that will never give up with fewer moments of glory but one glorious long lasting march instead?
Ps3: Also being in the 0.1% of enjoyment is very subjective. What if one is very happy and not living in a top 0.1% mansion and yet still able to afford all essential things and some luxuries often. To enjoy certain success as defined by the majority of people may be less attractive than other pleasures or productive usage of your life. The problem with some great brains out there is their insecurity though and their childish obsession with winning and keeping scores that often prove just selfish ego trips. Sure you can spend a life going over complicated very deep abstract problems and fail to notice that focusing on other things may actually lead to solutions to these problems faster but not by your brain alone. Are you interested in the truth or in the truth provided to others by you only? Is science done for selfish self promotion pleasure reasons or because its fundamentally useful and additionally entertaining and fulfilling but more importantly useful typically.
Ps4: A lot of the high intelligence people are problematic in other common sense choices. That indicates the person is a victim of their condition, albeit a remarkable skill is born from it. They fail to grasp important simpler things at play that ignoring invalidates the main effort and purpose of brilliance which is to improve knowledge and elevate the human condition not to promote an endless battle against personal insecurities...
I agree with at least part of that. If you are in the 0.1%, then you have improved the knowledge base and have elevated the human condition (assuming that is your goal. Different goals can and do exist). If you have not met your goals in meaningful and measurable ways, then you either aren't smart or have some personality defect that makes your smartness useless.
A useless thing is useless. What you do is absolutely the only thing that matters. It doesn't matter if you have an excellent hammer if you don't pound nails.
The subjective thing is indeed subjective. There are two ways to go about it: 1) you get to assess your own life accomplishments and if you find these lacking in merit, then you have severe deficits that need fixing. 2) others assess you and your behavior and body of work.
Which way to go about it depends on whose opinion is important. Historians won't spend much time discussing your self-assessment.
Where I disagree is on the stuff that is just incorrect. IQ is what IQ tests test. It isn't what you'd like it to be. They test for current academic readiness and nothing else.* The nice thing is they aren't remotely important, except for identifying kids who might need extra help in getting up to speed in school. The other nice thing is that we have other measures of whether someone is good at actual stuff. For instance, you can tell whether someone is good at calculating things by having them calculate things, and you can tell whether someone is good at improving the knowledge base of humanity by checking on whether they have improved the knowledge base of humanity, and you can tell whether someone is good at taxidermy by looking at the taxidermy that they have done, and you can tell whether someone is good at creating physics experiments by checking whether they have created new and useful physics experiments. It is that simple!
*included in current academic readiness are such things as rote knowledge, and skills, and a healthy breakfast before the test, and attitude towards meaningless and useless busy work, and a good night's sleep, and comfortableness. The list of things included is rather lengthy.
Last edited by BrianTheMick2; 07-16-2020 at 09:39 PM.