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09-25-2017 , 03:26 PM
One day you are walking acrross the Gloeberian Savanna. Many animals walk around on the grass fields there. You randomly look to ur right side and see an animal you have never seen before. You learn that this animal is 20Years old.

You have the opportunity to bet on when the animal will die, with the following rule:

You are allowed to put in X$. At the end of each year, if the animal still lives, your money is doubled. However, if the animal died during this year, you loose all money.

How many years do you invest?

( The current age, 20Years, is all the info u have. U can't see if the animal looks young or old. Also you have no prior knowledge about the distributions of life expactancies of animals in the world)
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09-27-2017 , 05:23 PM
Size? There is a Strong correlation between size and lifespan.

Insect, Mammal, Bird, Reptile? Insects tend to have a shorter lifetime than Reptiles.

We are creating a probability distribution so need to know exactly what we are dealing with. For instance, can it be a deep ocean fish? Does it have to be large enough to see, how good is my eyesight?

Something to start from http://sciencecastle.com/sc/index.ph...es/showclasses

Last edited by Piers; 09-27-2017 at 05:31 PM.
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09-27-2017 , 11:44 PM
So you're asking a question about risk/reward without specifying your situation or the size of the stake, and you're asking a question involving your time preference without stating age/life expectancy.
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09-28-2017 , 11:24 AM
I bet it will not die this year. Can that be wrong?

I'd bet it will live for another seven years.

It being an adult is quite probable. Guess you are nearer death than not in a nature setting (nature is brutal). Giving it 20 would be overoptimistic. Ten'd be nearer the truth. Make it seven for the risk/reward thing.

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09-28-2017 , 10:44 PM
You shoot the animal and eat it.

This is not complicated.

By the way, animal teeth are quite useful in gaining an approximate age determination.
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09-29-2017 , 03:00 AM
This problem reminds me the German Tank Problem, in which allies had to determine the number of tanks available to germans by observing a few german tanks which had a progressive number on it.

Let me restate the rules before going on.

- You can bet a fixed X amount;
- you have to decide beforehand the number of years Y for your investment;
- if the animal is still alive after Y years, you get X*2^Y back, for a net winning of X*(2^Y-1) (is that correct?);
- if the animal dies before Y years, you lose X;
- you know that the animal is 20 years old;
- you have no knowledge about life expectancies of animals in the world.

Regarding the last point above, I interpret as that you don't have access on any data and so you don't know the "correct" distribution. However, you are allowed to use some personal prior (otherwise the problem can't be addressed at all in terms of probabilities), since you know that a random animal is much more likely to live for some decades rather than many centuries.

Say L is the age at which the animal will die. The probability of you meeting it while it being 20 year old is 1/L (you might have met it at any age in its life) if L>=20 and 0 otherwise of course. So, using Bayes' rule:

P(L | we met it at 20) ~ P(we met it at 20 | L) * P_0(L) = 1/L * P_0(L) for L>=20

where with ~ we intend "proportional to" (we have to normalize the result afterward) and P_0(L) is our prior probability of a random animal dying at L years.

As we can see, we need to build a prior. Say that we have a uniform prior over some [0,M] range. We can see that our posterior over L is 0 if L<20 and then decreases like 1/L to L=M, after which is 0 again. If you bet on Y+20, you win with probability P(L>=Y+20). This probability decreases about logarithmically with Y (being the complement of a sum of 1/L terms), while the payout increases exponentially with Y. So, with a uniform prior, you should go all-in and bet the maximum age you think the animal can live.

Of course the result is very dependent on the prior you use. If you use some exponentially decaying prior (or if you add some utility function, since not every dollar is worth the same) you might arrive to very different conclusions. However, I guess this is how the problem should be approached.

I don't think the link David provided is any relevant. In the sunrise problem you don't know that there will be a time in which the sun won't rise anymore. Here we know that the animal will die. In the sunrise problem is even conceivable that the sun might not rise some days, but rising back afterwards (that's the reason why they treat the problem as binomial, with a fixed p probability of happening regardless what happened before).
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09-29-2017 , 08:52 AM
^tnx yea it would make sense that you would bet very aggressively

I was inspired for this question by the following article:

https://www.farnamstreetblog.com/201...ct-everything/

If you see a random animal that has lived 20 years, it has a longer life expectancy(from this time onwards) than if you see a random animal that has lived 5 days. Because you meet the animals at a random part of their lifespan, the first one is likely to come from a distribution with long lifespan and the second one from distribution with short lifespan (I guess Im making the assumption here that you at least know that multiple animal species exist)

Similarly books are expected to continue to exist for a longer time than smartphones because they have been around for way longer

If you assume uniform distribution can you calculate the life expectancy for the 20year like this:?

1/100 chance we met it at 1st % of his life
1/100 chance we met it at 2st % of his life
...
1/100 chance we met it at 99% of his life

Life expectancy is 0.01*(20/0.01)+0.01*(20/0.02)+..0.01*(20/0.99)
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09-29-2017 , 09:00 AM
I think you can use this idea to show why it is sometimes rational to invest in financial bubbles, even if everyone knows it's going to 0 eventually
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10-04-2017 , 09:06 PM
OP, do you have to let it ride? Bet 1 unit at the beginning of year one. Rathole the original unit at the end of the year, and play with the house money from there on out. Maybe take 15% off the table after year two (or something a little better than 2* the rate of return you expect in your other speculative investments). Continue to take annual withdrawls in increasing amounts.
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10-05-2017 , 02:52 AM
Find the implied distribution that would make all bets breakeven. You should bet it survives at least b years for any b where: 1 - F(b) >= 0.5^b, where F(b) is cumulative probability distribution the animal survives at most b years. This simplifies to F(b) <= 1 - 0.5^b. Given the lack of information, this is the best you can do without injecting assumptions/beliefs.
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