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12-20-2011 , 05:09 PM
A slight color shift from the star the planet revolves around?
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12-22-2011 , 05:41 AM
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If we found an Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone, how good an image can we theoretically get of it?

If we built a telescope specifically to focus on this one point in space, what could we see?
Its not so much the telescope but rather the technique. With interferometry I imagine we could resolve a planet with enough detail to confirm life(if its biosphere is similar to earth).

We certainly could certainly build something which could see city lights on an alien world if we put enough resources into it.
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11-08-2012 , 09:26 PM
Findings of exoplanets has been in the news lately so I though a bump of this thread appropriate.

Update news on important recent discoveries:

http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/newsaboutplanetfinding/

List of All Planet Discovered so far and information on each:

http://kepler.nasa.gov/Mission/discoveries/


.......and just browsing about the NASA website on the Kepler Mission is fun which a lot of good information. Enjoy.
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11-08-2012 , 11:15 PM
I would like to recommend the exoplanet app for iphone if you want to keep track of recent Kepler discoveries.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/exop...327702034?mt=8
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11-10-2012 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Findings of exoplanets has been in the news lately so I though a bump of this thread appropriate.
When you find a new and wonderful girl, you tell her about the now hag-like gal she sort of reminds you of?

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Update news on important recent discoveries:

http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/newsaboutplanetfinding/

List of All Planet Discovered so far and information on each:

http://kepler.nasa.gov/Mission/discoveries/


.......and just browsing about the NASA website on the Kepler Mission is fun which a lot of good information. Enjoy.
Pretty pictures of pretty things. Amazing stuff.

You'd think that they'd do more of the pretty pictures since that would get them more money to do important things.

Even if it came to nothing more than additional pretty pictures, it'd be worth it.

(also the sciencey stuff)
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11-10-2012 , 05:29 AM
Impressive find http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/newsabou...ews&NewsID=234

A Mars/Venus like planet just 4 light years away? Earth like?

I bet the research will be quite frantic. Any indication how far away from Alpha Centaury B it is?

Edit: Here is the elaborate version: http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1241/

Edit2: Appears to be hotter than Mercury. When will the instruments be able to detect a planet of Earth's size this far away from a sun like star (that is, in the "life belt")? Now they struggled with a planet just 3-4 million kilometers away, while we are 150 million kilometsrs away from the sun, having a less impact on it.

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11-10-2012 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
When you find a new and wonderful girl, you tell her about the now hag-like gal she sort of reminds you of?

I wouldn't waste the energy - Plus, I only hang with the high IQ set and they usually detect all those nuances without the need of overt verbal verbosity. Also see: Signaling Theory, to add to the muddle of my response. But all this is off topic so I suggest a separate thread for discussion.

Pretty pictures of pretty things. Amazing stuff.

You'd think that they'd do more of the pretty pictures since that would get them more money to do important things.

Even if it came to nothing more than additional pretty pictures, it'd be worth it.

(also the sciencey stuff)

How could I not agree? I wonder what the PR budget is for this NASA endeavor. Perhaps it should be increased to get more plebeians to take notice and switch from viewing college football games, swilling bad beer and worse salsa, to more perusal of science stuff on the internet. All rhetorical of course.
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11-10-2012 , 03:03 PM
I bet we will find some 1000-10000 Earth, Mars or Venus type (solid rocky with atmosphere and near g gravity) in a 100 light years radius. Maybe 10-100 will be ideal much "closer" to Earth than Mars with water and -100 to +50 C climates.
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11-10-2012 , 05:38 PM
Just thinking. Whatever Nebula gave birth to our sun must have been fairly rich in heavy elements from looking at our solar system. Given this shouldn't it be more likely to find earth like planets in nearby stars than isolated planets born from other nebula? Or have relative positions of stars changed too much since the earth was born?
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11-10-2012 , 07:43 PM
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Just thinking. Whatever Nebula gave birth to our sun must have been fairly rich in heavy elements from looking at our solar system. Given this shouldn't it be more likely to find earth like planets in nearby stars than isolated planets born from other nebula? Or have relative positions of stars changed too much since the earth was born?
It seems possible (to me at least) that the elemental break down of our solar system is fairly typical, so the effect you are talking about won'tbe very strong.
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11-10-2012 , 08:06 PM
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Or have relative positions of stars changed too much since the earth was born?
Yes, every star encircles the center of the galaxy independently.
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11-15-2012 , 08:24 PM
100 ly away
May be a brown dwarf however
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12-19-2012 , 03:38 PM
A planet has been found in the habitable zone of Tau Ceti, a star very similar to the Sun just under 12 light years away.

Tau Ceti's planets nearest around single, Sun-like star
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12-19-2012 , 04:29 PM
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A planet has been found in the habitable zone of Tau Ceti, a star very similar to the Sun just under 12 light years away.

Tau Ceti's planets nearest around single, Sun-like star
This looks very significant to me. An exoplanet in an earth-like zone that is relatively near to us. Had it been 100 light years away we would have had to wait longer for potential earth-exoplanet modelling. Now lesser technique will do the job, because it's nearer.
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04-21-2013 , 07:08 PM
NASA Says Recently Discovered Planets Are Most Earth-Like yet

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According to Dimitar Sasselov, who recounted the discovery in the latest issue of Science, described what the environment might be like on these distant Earths. “Kepler-62e probably has a very cloudy sky and is warm and humid all the way to the polar regions,” Sasselov said. “Kepler-62f would be cooler, but still potentially life-friendly.”

The two planets, which coexist in a five-planet system, are not only noteworthy because of their distance to their parent star, but because of their size as well. Smaller planets (such as Mars) are typically more rocky, io9 explained, and less gaseous. Both 62f and 62e are roughly the same size as Earth.
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05-16-2013 , 09:18 AM
Future of the Kepler mission in danger due to faulty wheel. Hope a new improved satellite is sent out asap. Its the most interesting frontier in astronomy imo. http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/nasakepl...ews&NewsID=272
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05-16-2013 , 09:24 AM
I guess its not so bad, the James Webb telescope is due 2018 and there is tons of unanalysed data from Kepler. Still sad to see it malfunction so early.
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09-02-2013 , 08:52 PM
Update press release [Aug 16, 2013]: http://science.time.com/2013/08/16/t...ion-continues/

From above link:

Space-watchers saw the handwriting on the wall months ago, but now it’s official: NASA’s Kepler spacecraft, by far the most successful planet-hunting telescope in history, isn’t coming back. Engineers realized back in May that one of the three reaction wheels that let the probe aim at its targets had gone bad—and despite every effort to fix the problem, said NASA astrophysics director Paul Hertz at a press conference yesterday, “we cannot recover three-wheel operations.”

But rather than gnash his teeth and tear out his thinning hair, Kepler’s founding father and principal investigator William Borucki, of the NASA Ames Research Center in California, declared the mission “spectacularly successful.”


He’s not in denial: after spending the 1990s banging on NASA’s door trying to get Kepler approved, he and his team got the go-ahead for a four-year mission in 2000, and the spacecraft was launched in 2009. Kepler successfully completed that phase last year. What’s been cut short is the so-called “extended mission,” a three-year renewal approved in early 2012.

Kepler’s first four years were mind-blowingly productive: the telescope found some 3,500 new worlds orbiting distant stars—or more accurately, 3,500 “planet candidates,” of which only 135 have been confirmed so far. Astronomers both inside and outside the Kepler team are convinced, however, that the vast majority will turn out to be bona fide planets. “When I conceived the mission,” said Borucki, “it was like we were standing in a desert. Now we’re submerged in an ocean of data.”

And those 3,500 only represent Kepler’s first two years of operations. Astronomers are still sifting thorough the second two years, and “we’re convinced the most exciting discoveries are still to come,” noted Borucki. That’s a powerful prediction given that Kepler has found planets orbiting double stars—something previously seen only in Star Wars—a six-planet solar system and a planet the size of Earth’s moon.

But the true quarry, as Borucki has stated openly from the beginning, was to find planets like Earth—about the same size as our home world, orbiting stars like the Sun, and in the “Goldilocks zone” in their solar system where temperatures are not too hot, not too cold, but just right for life to be possible. Kepler hasn’t found any of these yet, but it has come awfully close: it’s found Earth-size (and smaller) planets, but not in the Goldilocks Zone, and it’s found planets a bit bigger than Earth with just the right temperatures—but they’re orbiting stars dimmer than the Sun. Still, when scientists extrapolate from what the probe has already found, it’s clear that our galaxy conservatively holds at least 17 billion worlds about the size of Earth.

True twins of Earth, moreover, may well be lurking in the data still being analyzed— although, said Borucki, “we’ll have to dig down hard.” He figures it will be another three years before all of the numbers are finally crunched, and until then, Kepler lives on as a zombie mission: dead in space, but still going strong back home on Earth.

Or maybe not even dead. Engineers have given up on fixing the hobbled satellite, but Kepler’s light-gathering mirror and electronics are still working fine. So even before the telescope was declared incapable of doing its original job, NASA started soliciting proposals for what other sorts of science it might be able to do. “We’ve gotten a wide variety of suggestions,” said Borucki, “including searches for asteroids, comets and supernovas.”
Another idea: look for the telltale flicker as a distant planet passes in front of an even more distant star. If things line up just right, the planet’s gravity can act as a lens, focusing the starlight and making it brighten momentarily. Until they take a hard look at Kepler’s capabilities with just two working reaction wheels, notes Borucki, “we have no way of knowing what’s practical.” Beyond that, budget pressures may force NASA to stop pouring scarce money into a crippled Kepler and funnel it elsewhere.

No matter—the probe’s legacy is already firmly established. “Kepler has been a crucial step in our exploration of the galaxy,” said Borucki. “If we had found that there were very few Earths out there, we would be making very different choices about future missions. Instead, NASA is moving ahead with the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite and looking ahead to the James Webb Space Telescope, which among other thing will study the atmospheres of nearby exoplanets. “Yes, it would have been better if the mission had gone on longer,” said Borucki. “But I’m very satisfied.”


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09-03-2013 , 01:21 AM
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Kepler hasn’t found any of these yet, but it has come awfully close: it’s found Earth-size (and smaller) planets, but not in the Goldilocks Zone, and it’s found planets a bit bigger than Earth with just the right temperatures—but they’re orbiting stars dimmer than the Sun.
Wouldn't a planet a bit bigger than Earth with just the right temperatures be capable of supporting life? Would the brightness of the star make much difference?
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09-03-2013 , 12:26 PM
bummer
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02-26-2014 , 11:13 PM
U.S. space telescope spots 715 more planets (more analysis of data from Kepler telescope that went out of service last year)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-space-telesc...7--sector.html


CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) - Scientists added a record 715 more planets to the list of known worlds beyond the solar system, boosting the overall tally to nearly 1,700, astronomers said on Wednesday.

The additions include four planets about 2-1/2 times as big as Earth that are the right distance from their parent stars for liquid surface water, which is believed to be key for life.


The discoveries were made with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's planet-hunting Kepler space telescope before it was sidelined by a pointing system problem last year. The telescope, launched in 2009, spent four productive years staring at 160,000 target stars for signs of planets passing by, relative to the telescope's line of sight.

The tally of planets announced at a NASA press conference on Wednesday boosted Kepler's confirmed planet count from 246 to 961.


Combined with other telescopes' results, the headcount of planets beyond the solar system, or exoplanets, now numbers nearly 1,700.

"We almost doubled, just today, the number of planets known to humanity," astronomer Douglas Hudgins, head of exoplanet exploration at NASA Headquarters in Washington, told reporters on a conference call.


The population boom is due to a new verification technique that analyzes potential planets in batches rather than one at a time. The method was developed after scientists realized that most planets, like those in the solar system, have sibling worlds orbiting a common parent star.

The newly found planets reinforce evidence that small planets, two to three times the size of Earth, are common throughout the galaxy.

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There were no reports or evidence of any Bars, Brothels or even brightly flashing Neon Signs. The Galaxy is wide open for business.
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04-17-2014 , 03:40 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ea...13794?cmp=fbtl



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The new planet, discovered by the Kepler space telescope, is about 500 light years (about 4,700 trillion kilometres) away from Earth in the constellation Cygnus. It is the outermost of five planets orbiting a small, cool red dwarf star, reported researchers led by planetary scientist Elisa Quintana at the SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center.

The star has half the mass of the sun, and the planet receives just a third of the heat that Earth receives from the sun.

"However, it is also slightly larger than the Earth, and so the hope would be that this would result in a thicker atmosphere that would provide extra insulation," Stephen Kane, a San Francisco State University astronomer who co-authored the paper, said in a statement.
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04-18-2014 , 01:21 AM
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Nice find. Will get much attention, I'm sure:
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Planets can't become that much bigger than Earth before they start to resemble gas giants like Neptune or Jupiter rather than Earth.

Previously, Earth-sized planets and planets in the habitable zones of stars have been found, but none has met both criteria at the same time.
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06-03-2014 , 12:51 AM
Astronomers have discovered a rocky planet that weighs 17 times as much as Earth and is more than twice as large in size. This discovery has planet formation theorists challenged to explain how such a world could have formed.

“We were very surprised when we realized what we had found,” says astronomer Xavier Dumusque of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA), who led the analysis using data originally collected by NASA’s Kepler space telescope.

Kepler-10c, as it had been named, had a previously measured size of 2.3 times larger than Earth but its mass was not known until now. The team used the HARPS-North instrument on the Telescopio Nazionale Galileo in the Canary Islands to conduct follow-up observations to obtain a mass measurement of the rocky behemoth.

Worlds such as this were not thought possible to exist. The enormous gravitational force of such a massive body would accrete a gas envelope during formation, ballooning the planet to a gas giant the size of Neptune or even Jupiter. However, this planet is thought to be solid, composed primarily of rock.

"Just when you think you've got it all figured out, nature gives you a huge surprise – in this case, literally," said Natalie Batalha, Kepler mission scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California. "Isn't science marvelous?"

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Full article on the NASA Kepler webpage:


http://www.nasa.gov/ames/kepler/astr...e-rocky-world/
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06-03-2014 , 11:20 AM
Perhaps the core of a gas giant that lost its gas.
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