Living up to your name Trolly. I like it.

Now you're showing us your darker face (casual racism obv.)

I like that meal when in Half Moon Bay because it reminds me of Greek taverns with fish and calamari. Why not? Greek ones are not terribly different. Ok so we do not get the Greek salad or ouzo or whatever feta and bread, no big deal, i can imagine these or have at home and i dont mind not drinking ouzo ever again actually lol . I am an internationalist above all. I am first a citizen of the planet. So i endorse US cuisine and other countries' cuisines all the time if it is not too difficult to make and if it is i will gladly have it at a restaurant here and there but not too often as i eat less than 1% of the time in restaurants.

Seriously now how the f is it unethical to eat animals as in a general blanket statement if in one of those cases the animal has just died because of, i dont know, it being a salmon was killed by a bear in a river that you then chased away with a bulldozer lol or a deer ran into your truck and your truck won and you didnt die because of it but the deer died so now what to do with the meat, let it rot? What best celebration of the life of that animal to make it part of your amazing super galactic empire dreams!


In other more relevant farming properly cases the animal lived longer than it would have in the wild and one night it was sleeping it never woke up. Exactly what is unethical here? Who loses and what that is superior to what is gained? What exactly is the life of this planet missing at that moment that 1 in 1 bil birds died in its sleep? Because i can easily tell you what it is missing when you or i die. If i died tonight after first having gone into a permanent comma that makes me unable to do any intelligent thinking exactly what is lost by not living one more day spent to eat and drinking and walking around on the way to a meaningless random walk???

Are you guys really understanding what ethics is? Logic makes the ethics. Bring your logic at the table now! What is missing at that moment the chicken becomes dinner if the process is done properly to not be felt at all or anticipated by an animal that lived longer than in the wild with secure food every day walking around in the farm? Its quality of life became possible because of being a dinner eventually. The animal both existed and had a happy life and you ate it as well. What is superior to this outcome? For the animal to not exist at all?

By the way i am profoundly disgusted by the thrill of killing big animals like elephants some people get as they do in safaris and CNN showed recently. I hate the guts of these people at that moment they cause a big animal to suffer like that just to see if their gutless modern weapons can kill it from a safe distance. There is no point there at that moment. No redeeming chance. Only if it feeds a village that cannot be fed differently. An elephant is also a very intelligent animal that passes the mirror test.

Yet...

I am seriously imagining we all together get lost in the forest in some far away from civilization area and all we have is fish, random plants, fruits, eggs from turtles, and birds, and some possible deer killed from a group of us working together (because one wont do it lol ) by weapons and traps we develop after watching this guy rebuild civilization from nothing; (ok skip the deer because its tough but try smaller animals with meat in them worthy of their chase)





How long until vegetarians turn back to their true nature in that environment? Does it taste like disgusting dead bodies now when that fish is in the fire roasted?

If i had to spend 3 days not eating vs killing a few animals in the wild i would not kill the animals but then after that forget it!

Vegetarian is a category of food consumption. It's up to each individual ethical agent to form or/and follow any ethics about it.

How come Greek restaurants never have any decent side dishes? Every time I get me a gyro it always comes with boring old french fries. I guess there's lentil soup and Greek salad, but those don't really go well with a gyro. You'd think they'd give you hummus and pita or stuffed grape leaves.

This is actually a good question. A microwave would be an ideal tool for someone who claims he can spend more time furthering human advancements if he didn't have to spend the (imaginary) extra time cooking vegetarian food. For example, think of all the novel posts in this thread that we and future historians studying the late carnivores of the 21st century would not be able to read if he were too busy cooking vegetarian food.

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You can get some surprisingly decent microwaveable steamed veggies these days. Get you an edamame snack and it's ready in 90 seconds.

Uh, cook how you like. I love the zapper but the crock pot is still champ when it comes to slowly cooked nutrients and flavor. Also wrapped food in tin foil and baked is fun. Like a silver package of delicious.

My neighbors today. I didn't get to close for the pic so as not to startle them.

My I ask where that is?

That is Alabama, The Beautiful, near Montgomery. The 'cow belt' wraps around the city into the county from the west down south to the east. I recommend country drives ( or cycling) on Sundays in the spring for a basic good time.

I like to boil instead of microwaving. 1 oz veggies per quart of water removes all but the most stubborn of vitamins.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jf072304b (just read this paper or similar or some crude general description below)

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...heir-vitamins/

"It’s true that cooking methods alter the nutritional composition of fruits and vegetables, but that’s not always a bad thing. Several studies have shown that while cooking can degrade some nutrients, it can enhance the availability of others. As a result, no single cooking or preparation method is best, and that includes eating vegetables raw.

Many people believe that raw vegetables are packed with more nutrition than cooked vegetables, but, again, it depends on the type of nutrient. One study of 200 people in Germany who ate a raw food diet found that they had higher levels of beta carotene, but their plasma lycopene levels were well below average. That’s likely because fresh, uncooked tomatoes actually have lower lycopene content than cooked or processed tomatoes. Cooking breaks down the thick cell walls of many plants, releasing the nutrients stored in them.

Water-soluble nutrients like vitamin C and vitamin B and a group of nutrients called polyphenolics seem to be the most vulnerable to degradation in processing and cooking. Canned peas and carrots lose 85 to 95 percent of their natural Vitamin C. After six months, another study showed that frozen cherries lost as much as 50 percent of anthocyanins, the nutrients found in the dark pigments of fruits and vegetables. Cooking removes about two-thirds of the vitamin C in fresh spinach.

Depending on the method used, loss of vitamin C during home cooking typically can range from 15 percent to 55 percent, according to a review by researchers at the University of California, Davis. Interestingly, vitamin C levels often are higher in frozen produce compared with fresh produce, likely because vitamin C levels can degrade during the storage and transport of fresh produce.

Fat-soluble compounds like vitamins A, D, E and K and the antioxidant compounds called carotenoids fare better during cooking and processing. A report in The Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry concluded that over all, boiling was better for carrots, zucchini and broccoli than steaming, frying or serving them raw. Frying vegetables was by far the worst method for preserving nutrients.

But when it comes to cooking vegetables, there are always tradeoffs. A method may enhance the availability of one nutrient while degrading another. Boiling carrots, for instance, significantly increases measurable carotenoid levels compared with raw carrots. However, raw carrots have far more polyphenols, which disappear once you start cooking them.

And while many people think microwaving is bad for food, vegetables cooked in a microwave may have a higher concentration of certain vitamins. A March 2007 study looked at the effects of boiling, steaming, microwaving and pressure cooking on the nutrients in broccoli. Steaming and boiling caused a 22 percent to 34 percent loss of vitamin C. Microwaved and pressure-cooked vegetables retained 90 percent of their vitamin C.

The bottom line is that no one cooking or preparation method is superior for preserving 100 percent of the nutrients in a vegetable. And since the best vegetables are the ones you will actually eat, taste should also be factored in when deciding on a cooking method. The best way to get the most out of your vegetables is to enjoy them in a variety of ways -- raw, steamed, boiled, baked and grilled. If you eat a variety of fruits and vegetables on a regular basis, you don't have to worry about the cooking method."

Just describe damn it (to all vegetarians) how you cook in your microwave 4-5 different meals and what you do about seasonings, oil etc.

here, you cant even defend your food damn it lol!

https://www.wikihow.com/Cook-Vegetab...-the-Microwave

PS: I actually want to enjoy eating not seeing it as one more chore in the list! Sure enough i eat to live not live to eat but it sure adds to life to enjoy a good meal every day. I will get a microwave oven eventually and tell you what are the tasting advantages if any.


But you cant cant cant cant cant cant ever ever ever create stuffed tomatoes and peppers or zucchini with rice and herbs etc or moussaka or giant beans with their marvelous sauce in a microwave oven, you probably need a real oven. It doesn't look its gonna happen! If it did/does with some hack and get it done in 30 min i would use it daily. The problem is that you have to spend at least 1 hour stuffing and creating the mix from them. Its lengthy. You will need AI robot for that and its gonna happen, you better believe it that gourmet AI cook robot is coming at your home in scientific society and Intel is a moronic company for not trying to get one in every home, another bs consumer rape that will happen by Apple or Google or Amazon etc.

Nice peaceful neighbors. I wouldn't eat them, i would let them have fun there and drink their milk only. But if there were 100 of them showing no character, its another story lol. Nothing is lost if during a night sleep there is no morning. With character however comes love.

We should develop some breed that has a great life and dies one morning because of some sudden heart condition that develops in time suddenly making it the natural cycle of the animal. We can affect DNA to add to its natural activity desires that make it happier too while living a shorter life. I think cows live good lives for near 7-8 years. Lets make something that has 5 years cycle and dies naturally. Ethics lol, there is always a better ethical system based on science to defeat old fashioned narrow minded ethics. We can create a system that everyone is happy. There is no greater crime ladies and gentlemen than to have a large scale complexity animal lose the battle with time after it has won/played well the game of rising wisdom. It happens to each human. I wonder how many would be glad if they lived only up to 40 but knew they would succeed in everything they ever did after a few failures if only they persisted and be happy/motivated every day and leave behind something important.

Bourbon or bacon?
Dog or your niece?
Mother or father?

there's meat in that fleece.

Madness. I am told that cooking veggies takes well over an hour and requires advanced AI technology.

People who call vegetables "veggies" need to be ****ing shot IMO.

Is "veg" okay?

Yes, of course.

But only with a potato gun.

Wrong, as usual:

Correct, for once:

Bourbon, then the Bacon.

Dog - better available recipes and more repeat chances for delicious meals.

Mum- females naturally have more body fat and cook up juice and nice; males, in general, will be more stringy and tough.

Let the rabbit run.