You mean like those who stake out assertive moral high ground and send out obligations?

Moral authoritarianism. I rebel from cultural influences of meat authoritarians the same as I do ethical murder vegetarians. Food authoritarians and I are in a epic struggle, in fact. Both meat and veggie authority tap that zeal and supremacy which interferes with enjoying lunch.
And notice we have moved along from feelings snd thoughts about animals to what we NEED to eat. The people who empathize with people are best equipped to avoid zeal in this regard. More understating and less arguing about food is a way for excitement about every mundane meal.

Why?

I never did. I am not aware, because i havent researched it, how to cook with it standard things i eat in terms of seasonings and other processes or how the taste is affected etc. Health reasons or effects in nutrients are probably not material (or even better regulated than traditional cooking) if all is tested and securely closed. I just dont feel excited by using something i cant see given the alternative. Its probably just fine to have one at home for some usages. Find a way to test it too and not be paranoid about it although it's not really an issue but still you never really know until you test how it all operates.

It’s surprisingly not hard to do. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything & there are plenty of meat substitutes for just about any dish.

My tastes adjusted quickly. I don’t have an appetite for animal products anymore . I don’t even see meat as food, I just see it as dead animal parts..

This is after I was an omnivore for 30+ years , only 4 months vegan so far .

I recommend to anyone to try going vegan for some time, and you may never want to go back.

I was dinner entertainment for some young cows today. I was siting on the porch listening and they were watching me from the fence in between chewing grass. Cows in my parts get genuine human interactions. I wonder if they have a value like service. To serve as food, what a life-affirming service indeed to wonder.

You can't see microwaves?!? I thought you were a physicist!

My brain is a physicist. My eyes and standard senses are still human :-)

This is why i like AI so much. I want to be AI for 20 min and see the world for what it really is, way greater than we perceive it.

Then i can go back to eating vegetarian greek dishes and then the next day kokoretsi


or souvlaki in pita



or

totally minimalist souvlaki in fresh roasted bread



and roasted chicken and Cretan sausages



http://www.greekgastronomyguide.gr/e...ional-cuisine/

and why not fish and calamari



Hell i will even eat some snails if properly cooked in some Cretan recipe.



Are you vegetarian guys kidding me? The world is a paradise if you combine the best vegetarian and the best meat dishes but only done in such a way as to not overeat meats on average so as to optimize the time you live and eat also meats among other things lol!!!


No way in hell i can stop and then not want to go back to also eating meat foods. It's bs lies. I know what it is like to not eat meat for a few months, it's called religious fasting. I know what it is to not even eat olive oil or any animal products for a week. Whatever to it lol! Good riddance. I will only fast on Good Friday or some solemn occasion because of the symbolism of the day even if not personally religious. That is precisely the point of fasting, to sacrifice something you like.

It's because you haven't had proper meat cooked right that you think its just fine to not eat it anymore. Of course i can go on and not eat it indefinitely. I have the "will" to do that but exactly why would i want to restrict myself to such madness if a properly balanced diet that has everything is the ultimate winner in happiness and health? And that comes from a guy that all his life has had a very careful guarded connection with meat (never eating a lot of it at once) that as a child i even didnt particularly like. I evolved to enjoying and rejecting completely my irrational childish dislike because of mother's cooking that is of unreachable quality. I have her recipes and i have cooked all of them that i have linked in this thread over time but it does take time damn it on an activity that is intrinsically boring. Sure some meat if not done properly is poor tasting and disgusting even. But we are talking great recipes here and top cooks at play. World class, can you imagine that they see parts unknown and laugh at it? Yes we do! If only people knew what real greek food is about. I have missed it for so long now. And that is a bloody sacrifice indeed!

How can i justify spending 5 hours to cook vegetarian moussaka or stuffed with rice and other ingredients tomatoes/peppers etc that beats easily many meat dishes ? I cant do that, it's super boring and tedious. I can only do it out of love for those that will eat it. I don't love myself eating it more than slaving to prepare it lol. This is why the idea for a food delivery company that is top international vegetarian entries in core is intriguing and a healthy project.

How can it be seen as barbaric to eat meat if done right or in proper setup? This makes no sense at all. You mean to say if the animal is suffering after having fallen from a cliff and in pain with broken spine or whatever and you kill it to release it from its misery, eating its meat later is a barbaric action? Context damn it! If you are in an area that salmon comes to die and you stun it and kill it without any pain in some trap you created before it releases its eggs, where is the unethical action here? It will die anyway and others will leave billions of eggs anyway out of which only 1% will make it or whatever. All life is like that! Are you not seeing how perilous it all is and you have a problem with a system that when in proper form it will have animals that would have never existed to live and enjoy life from more than they would in the wild and then one day they don't wake up. Where is the unethical action here if their daily ritual is repetitive without progress in some evolving plan as it is with higher intelligence animals? Do you see my point? If every day is the same without progress evolving tasks involved and consciousness about your condition when you go to sleep you lose nothing if you do not wake up!!! Another one like that will be born shortly. Their meat will be used to sustain a much higher intelligence animal that can go on to create amazing worlds of prosperity and proliferate life across the universe.

What we need is balance and proper treatment of animals that are grown for consumption. Nothing barbaric about eating them if they do not sense the endgame at any point and it's not done in their prime or they do not have something currently going on that looks like a plan of intelligent development that you interrupted. In the wild they suffer unreal pain deaths typically. What is the agony of an animal attacked by a lion until it is dead? Can it compare with a proper processing farm of the future and even some current ones? Lets bring that future here and now and then call me partially unethical only when i have a clear choice to eat from a very nice treatment farm and i choose the cheaper but full of suffering in their lives alternative. The system is unethical for not developing a procedure that will allow people to choose what meat they buy and where it comes from in a secure confident way that you can scrutinize at will and verify easily. Lets have a binary meat market.

Fish & chips with tartar sauce and ketchup is Greek cuisine?

None for nothing, this is a thread on the ethics of meat-eating, not sure why you're griping about vegetarians chiming in. Isn't the better response to counter their arguments rather than insult them?

I am only about two months into being a vegetarian, and I agree with AreYouQualified that I just see those pictures as dead animal flesh. I think these are supposed to be the best things I am not eating? Have had most of them before and don't remember the taste being worth the revulsion I feel towards them. Doesn't feel like a sacrifice or fasting at all.

Have heard from long-time vegetarians that after a few months your mind adapts and it gets to the point were you have a hard time forcing yourself to eat meat. Starting to get that, and not too long ago some of my favorite things were eating a top top steak or Chicfila. Human mind is very complicated.... and probably pretty tasty

When their chimes suck, and it's their chimes, they have their own problem of insulting themselves before anyone else can mention it. Why would being polite to them solve their crappy chimes about food?

I was a vegetarian for 14 years and never felt revolted at the thought of eating meat or thought it would be difficult to eat it. I haven't had a hamburger or steak for even longer, but they still smell good on the griddle. It was more like a dairy allergy - you can see that there is tasty and attractive dairy-based food, but it isn't worth eating it and eventually you develop the habit of ignoring it.

Amazing you really have cows outside your doorstep. Milk now, beef later?

Maybe some would be more inclined to vegeterianism if it wasn't so closely associated with the image of self-righteousness. As Bill Hicks said about non-smokers in the 80s: "I'd become one of you, if it didn't mean I'd have to be one of you".

It's not simply self righteousness though. It's really more like other-self unrighteousness that really makes an un-appeal. Food is pretty uh righteous, so it's rather par for course folks may get self-righteous about their food to whatever degree.

And pseudo-behavioral predications about emotions and thoughts are just yuk. Do not want.

Well, I am no cow rustler, but I think it is a breeding field. There is a herd that stays about the same all year, with young cows and new bulls coming along now and then. I have zero clue of their exact destiny after they leave the field. They are one of the neighboring family farmers cows. Cows are denser than people in the area near and around me. So I think of them as neighbors. There is also a donkey near by. Strange sounds guaranteed around here.

The sweet embrace of amorality brought about by a realization of self-worthlessness and disdain for self-righteousness. Ohhh the unfathomable amount of humility it must take to arrive at such a position. But don’t stop there. Tell us all about the indignation caused by those who claim correctness while yourself claiming correctness with the assertion that there is no such thing as correctness. It’s beginning to look a lot like…..self-righteousness.

Little indignation, if any. Mainly a feeling given birth to through the union of pity and cringe.

Pity is a sympathetic feeling, like the feeling you may get when you hear someone in a public space telling someone else about how smoking will kill them. You pity them for their embaressing and public display of arrogance - thinking they know whats better for the other person.

You also feel the situation to be slightly cringey, since almost certainly the smoker is in fact offended by the imposition, but must remain cordial in the moment.

Sure, in your example such a feeling might be evoked. Would do it for me.

But this case is more analogous to hearing someone in a public space telling another person not to blow smoke in a dogs face as it is showing signs of distress. You pity the dog.

You also pity the person blowing smoke for their arrogance in thinking it is ok to treat another sentient being so cruelly just because it is of lesser capability in whatever regard.

The cringe comes from empathizing with the possible embarrassment of the blower for having to be corrected for such a seemingly obvious wrongdoing.

Leaving aside the obvious point that Bill Hicks is a comedian doing a bit that's somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it sorta seems like Hicks is the one being a judgemental *******? And again, I'm not even sure why it's wrong to be "judgemental" in a thread about the ethics of eating meat. Surely the people who think it's morally unacceptable have an obligation to weigh in.

The problem is that I'm aware of the wrongdoing and I still don't want to be one of you. Either you acknowledge my experience of (many) vegetarians and acknowledge that perhaps their approach could be a lot more subtle or you don't. Not my loss either way.

Keep your panties on. Read the thread. I agree that it's unethical to eat animals. Im at peace with myself and any dissonance you may (or not) expect me to have.

A little casual misogyny is always a nice touch.

Shhh. We are doing an experiment in which we are turning him into an American to see if he notices.

You think he finds that women are to be hated because they wear panties? LDO, he is obviously showing casual mis-closet-cross-dresser-giny.

You'll get your shots at someone actually being a casual misogynist, Trolly. No need to get your testicles all ruffled just because you are bored. I mean, put on your big boy pants and show some patience.

Speaking of comedians, the new Gervais special on Netflix is pretty good and has a bunch on the derail at hand.