Elon Musk gives himself an astonishing 70% probability of personally moving to Mars:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...hance-of-death

Are YOU or your friend up to the challenge?

I'm not.

Too small of a player pool, I'll have to take a pass.

If Musk does make it to Mars, he could possibly reach his pinnacle: smartest man in the room.

I would do it if they have fast Internet.

BTW is Grimes going with him?

Only if it is for a little while because 40% gravity is bs for your body if you want to be back on real earth.

They will have internet delayed 5-20 min.

In reality probably a lot of people spend time indoors 24/7 and they are already on Mars technically minus the challenge to be creative and explore things and opening opportunities.


Here is the deal scientific society style, forget Musk and his flame throwers. Every giant installation has indoor garden and even trees and your job is to take care of it say and do research with it then you have endless fun and creative games with educational opportunities, entertainment and social activities or sports with other people there.

You have an indoor pool with even underground coral reef.

You produce O2 from plants and also from chemical processes from CO2 and solar radiation and you use also fusion energy to process local ground resources for your chemical industry.

You instantly destroy the 2 satellites of Mars converting them to Elysium style colonies. You build a space elevator and develop a permanent cheap visit of the rotating colonies for relaxation to real 1g every week spending time there for a while. That way all citizens are healthy. Fuel comes from processing plants at the surface and elevator takes it outside atmosphere.

Both satellites offer 10^16 and 10^15 kgr masses. You can develop a 50km by 1000km area rotating for 1g gravity cylindrical world of ground depth 100m with its own atmosphere climate. Also a smaller 50x100km super luxurious colony.

Then developing Mars happens in style using many different space elevators transferring goods to further future 1g artificial worlds in orbit.

All this doable in 100-200 years with fusion and AI and of course scientific society and not naive capitalism and mfer politicians logic in place.

Will it not feel heavy being in 1g? Permanent exercise vacation.

They're using fusion energy? That's smart. I hear it's good.

Sign me up

Fusion will happen this century and maybe in 10 years in some first level breakeven method. But in 50 years it will be very available and will replace fossil fuel as the primary method.

It is impossible to engineer in a massive scale the solar system any time soon without fusion. We will have all types of fusion with neutrons and without as products. The ones without will be in your home.

If you're talking about the time it takes for radio waves to reach Mars from Earth, I guess. If the goal is to get away from Earth and all its problems, I think we can move away from the dependence on Earthling ISPs.
Download the entire internet before you go, to keep you entertained. Then 20 some minutes is okay for new information.

You will time out if playing online poker though.

Mars? No. I think its kinda stupid actually. But ones dreams don't need to be practical and if he wants to do it, I say let him go for it! Now change the destination to a rotating habitat at a lagrange point? Maybe I'd sign up for that.

People live in worse conditions than mars already for decades ie the space station!!!

You can be so close to earth and so far away at the same time with no gravity and no ground and no sky. Without endless supplies the space station is dead. How often they get them? Less often than its possible to be arriving on Mars if you send them constantly from earth every 2-3 months launching supply missions.

On Mars you are only 2-3 months away from supplies from earth also like the space station astronauts if the idiots on earth decide to start sending regularly a 200 mil ship, soon to be doable with only 50 mil or 20, with delivery methods like the science laboratory curiosity of 1 ton mass and parachute landing.

1 ton of supplies can last you endlessly if delivered once every 1-2-6 months even.

All you need is modules like the space station ones and on your walk outside you will be getting to where the supplies landed and getting to your colony 1 ton of supplies every few weeks if needed will keep you endlessly supported and growing until you have built there an amazing self sufficient for the most parts system.


So many idiot billionaires and cannot come up with a plan to spend 1% of their top 400 money to finance a live from Mars reality show with 3 satellites in orbit around mars rebroadcasting from surface 24/7, that will be 100x more interesting than the voyeuristic bull crap they have right now.

What is the problem on Mars? Not temperature (Antarctica is similar). Not even water as it can be recovered locally but even if not, just send them hydrogen and they can synthesize it (CO2 broken down from solar panels to O2 plus gradual harvesting of nitrogen from Mars' atmosphere creates breathing atmosphere plus O2 to burn with H2 into water) and keep hot as well in the process. Use plants over time to do it more naturally in the module greenhouses.


Its radiation really that is the issue. Way less other problems than on Space station if your module is in some corner of some rocky location and over time you can put it below ground even for further radiation protection.

You can have endless solar panels in the roof for more protection from above deployed within hours of arrival.

Living on Mars just to make the point of it is piece of cake actually if you have a group of 10 billionaires bankrolling the plan until it works to make it commercially useful even.

It would be the greatest cheapest investment in the future ever given what can be learned and what edge it gives mankind. I am not personally looking forward to a life there that way early on but i can assure you i would never get bored given what work needs to be be done every day to improve the system constantly and to monitor all kinds of progress including endless plants and even some animals. You work 10h a day and then its all fun the rest. So many things you can do to spend time and relax, even indoors, if you have decent technology. But the work and traveling/exploring outside in the surface when radiation is low would be a cool experience too. The sky above , the sun and the ground would feel like earth in some desert. People live in submarines for months. You can have huge screens playing video from earth's parks or endless vista points from the alps to the tropical islands to the jungle and waterfalls/lakes etc 24/7. Sound and smells too. Its all in your mind damn it! 3 hours per day you can be surrounded by new video every day to keep you interested in what comes next. Picture this. There are plans for cruise style super luxurious air blimps traveling slowly over arctic, antarctic, the alps, tropical islands, jungles, cities etc. You go into a room full of screens with the view identical to the one experienced in these cruises.

One day damn it you will understand what scientific society is about. Fun, endless fun and interesting projects.

Once a week you have delayed dinner with friends and relatives. (You watch them eat and talk to each other and they reply to you in delayed video while you are having a later part of your meal at the same time with their reply playing. It would feel as if sharing an experience because it is exactly that! The delay is 10 min each side for a 20 min round trip interaction currently. At best delay back and forth is only 10 min sometimes. You can talk to them and then watch some news and sports waiting for their reply. A decent meal experience lasts 30-60 min anyway in a restaurant.

So you have endless feed of video and entertainment from earth to keep you motivated to do the work the other 10 hours developing the colony and infrastructure/experiments/maintenance etc. You would have never practically left earth in your mind. You are a citizen of the solar system already. Welcome to the unified experience.

You also have a partner there, real life couples that enjoy sex and romance as part of the emotional stabilization of the experience as if in a real situation on earth minus some gravity. You will never feel truly that far from earth and the joys of a complete life experience.

Endless stream of people are born to live that way with mostly everything happening in the mind, even if remotely located from all the usual action. How many people already live in Antarctica like that? Just offer them a more exciting setting. It wont be like that the first year but it will be 3 years later as supplies and deployment technology arrive regularly.

Wouldn't 8 hours of work a day be enough? Then leisure?

I's say the billionaires aren't very easy to find. We may have to wait until technology catches up, a bit like this would be the right time to go to the moon for the first time. Cold war and enthusiasm got us there 50 years ago.

Yeah chillin' on Mars mother****ers!

Mars LAN poker parties bro.

What the digital chips would represent on Mars, depends. Would we be just playing for the Game, or gambling on our amenities? Of course if you knew times on Mars would be so hard, in that studying game theory would provide you with an advantage, you might ask...why bother. The goal must be a marxist socialist democracy on Mars for Elon and Trump. lolol

See what I did there.

Keep marxism and any ism out of Mars and the rest of the solar system soon. Only scientific society works where the environment requires advanced organization and care for all members without becoming totalitarian.

Rather than prisons, should just send criminals to mars

I've seen how this ends. Eventually, a space rock collides with the habitat and rips open a tiny hole and everything gets sucked out into space.

Would you invest in SpaceX?

Mars has atmosphere even at 1% and can still destroy some meteorites. The bigger ones are the same type problems as on earth ie very small chance to get hit where you are by one. So only bigger ones that would have still died on earth atmosphere can pass through and i bet this is not a significant risk if you can position your habitat underground or in some corner below a hill etc and put solar panels above etc. Even if its 1000 times more efficient going through the atmosphere than earth its still a tiny risk.

The atmosphere complicates getting to the surface of mars. Its thick enough to burn your vehicle up if the heat shield screws up, but thin enough parachutes alone won't slow your descent enough to land safely.

Elon is more likely to die during the mars landing process than by a meteorite.

Scientific Societism or Scientificism?

Show me some ism that keeps improving and evolving even away from its original setting (and that cannot be seen better with math and science). There is not scietificism. There is only science and philosophy and math and little else you can count on. And it is everything the intellect will care for to obtain happiness and security. No ism comes close to anything as self reflecting as math, science and philosophy when executed properly. There is art not artism. There is cubism but it is just some movement. Scientific society is not a movement, it's the endgame of the wisdom obtained in how to organize society efficiently and sensibly so as to maximize human values, utility, happiness, knowledge, education, experience and exploration of new things from a position of care and confidence.