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Originally Posted by durkadurka33
So your argument is an argument from ignorance?
(Sorry smrk. I am feeling cranky, so I will speak for you.)
(Note: Durka said that no one in this thread had made an argument for free =/= random. He is correct that no one attempted to)
Pick away, Durka! Do me a favor and give alternatives instead of just shouting "nuh uh." And, "nuh uh, ducy" = "nuh uh" without the social skills
Either all things are caused or some things are not caused. We can probably ignore that there is the possibility that all things are not caused, since no one seems to be claiming that this is the case.
I am placing "free" within "not caused," since free requires lack of causation.
Free means "freedom from all previous external causes and all current external causal agents" right? That means, on an elemental level, that free agents/actions are not caused.
If something is not caused (is free), it is inherently unpredictable. Lack of predictability is one standard under which random lies.
Don't worry, there is more:
For an agent to be free (or an action to be free) requires a lack of cause. If you are going to take the (slightly more rational) limited case in which there is influence, but not causation for a free agent, the free part of the free act or free agent
must be without cause.
An event that happens without cause is a random event. Even if you couch the freedom within boundaries (such as Durka's kayaker).
"Because I felt like it" does not qualify as free.
"Because it made sense to do so" does not qualify as free.
"Because I spent years studying and came up with the best answer" does not qualify as free.
"Because, ummm, STFU I DON'T KNOW" could qualify as free, but is not a satisfying answer.