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Originally Posted by durkadurka33
Start naming names and systems.
Any social/reciprocal/behavioral definition of responsibility is dependent on determinism but not on free will.
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Actually, for the most part, discussions of responsibility try to avoid the free will question as much as possible.
That kind of undermines your position. Most systems of responsibility don't even invoke free will in the first place, which wouldn't even be possible if you were right that responsibility depends on indeterminism. If responsibility
did depend on indeterminism, then indeterminism would be a necessary premise and an integral part of any description of responsibility.
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Furthermore, the intuition that people can't be responsible in locally fatalistic cases is common even among compatibilists. If you're handcuffed to a chair, are you responsible for not being able to leave the room? If I take your hand and beyond your control punch someone, are you reponsible?
Um, no, because I wasn't a cause of the punch or a cause of being unable to leave the room. This has nothing to do with free will. This has to do with
determinism. The factor that
determined that you would not leave the room was your being tied up in the chair. A prior condition (being tied up in the chair)
determines the outcome (your not being able to leave the room). You are not the cause of your not being able to leave the room, so you are not responsible for not being able to leave the room. The question of who
is responsible varies depending on the particular flavor of responsibility you accept.
According to most definitions of responsibility, only outcomes that your choices cause are relevant. Some are a bit murkier, but regardless your choices need to have some impact in order for an example to be relevant.
If you choose not to leave the room
because you prefer to stay in the room (a prior factor - that's determinism), then you are responsible for not leaving the room. If you choose to murder someone
because you are a nasty sociopath (again, a prior factor determining your choice), then you are responsible for your actions. Nobody would say "his action was determined by his being a bad person, therefore he has no responsibility." That would be absurd. In fact, part of the reason we lock people up is that we can
predict that a person who has commit crimes in the past is likely to commit crimes in the future. Which implies that there are prior factors determining the crimes (or at least influencing them to some extent).
In most cases when we discuss responsibility, we assign more responsibility the less free will applies. When someone does something on a whim or as an act of passion (potentially an action heavily freely willed as it is hard to draw a deterministic causal chain to the action), we consider that a mitigating factor. But when someone carefully plans a crime and has a history of violent behavior and an absence of empathy (there is a clear deterministic causal chain leading up to the crime), then we throw the book at the person.
We also treat criminals more harshly the more we can justify a prediction that they will commit further crimes in the future. That is, the more predictable (less freely willed) their crimes are, the
more responsible they are for those crimes.