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Old 03-30-2020, 04:15 PM   #1
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Coronavirus: Yellowstone -1.0?

I was talking with a friend about coronavirus the other day and he said something along the lines of "we should have seen it coming." I posed to him that if that were true--that we can look back at our past-selves and say they should have seen this coming and they should have taken preventative measures before the disease even existed--then we should expect that our future selves will eventually be looking back at our current selves and saying the same thing. Assuming this to be true, I asked him what our future selves might be shaking their heads at our current selves for not seeing coming and doing something about. He brought up the Yellowstone supervolcano.

When I asked him what we could do about it to mitigate the potential damages from it, he suggested bleeding it off slowly to prevent a huge explosion. By this was meant drilling down to the magma chamber and releasing the pressure slowly over time as a sort of pressure release value.

Would this be possible? Could it it prevent a future mega disaster? I posed that if you did this the chamber would just use that hole as a starting place and blow it out, much like a crack in a dam. Is there anything humans could do now to prevent this disaster from happening in the future, or at the very least, mitigate the potential damages?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMLo0E66O8A
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:28 PM   #2
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Re: Coronavirus: Yellowstone -1.0?

1) magma is warm. Around the proper temperature to melt rocks. This makes doing anything about it somewhat problematic from an engineering perspective.

2) Calderas are large, which makes additional engineering problems.

3) The current virus could have been planned for if there weren't a billion other potential threats. No one is going to build additional sewer system capacity and a national Gatorade reserve for the possibility that there might be a new type of dysentery sometime in the next 50 years.
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Old 03-31-2020, 07:56 AM   #3
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Re: Coronavirus: Yellowstone -1.0?

Covid type events are easily planned for - there's no excuse. We even had planning which is helping a bit but they just got a bit lazy.

More serious acts of a disappointed god type events like yellowstone and worse should definitely form part of our planning. The only serious plan is to work much harder on leaving the planet. The 'great ****ing off' era can't come to soon for humanity (maybe not so good for the universe).
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:56 AM   #4
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Re: Coronavirus: Yellowstone -1.0?

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Covid type events are easily planned for - there's no excuse. We even had planning which is helping a bit but they just got a bit lazy.
We've done better than I would have expected.

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More serious acts of a disappointed god type events like yellowstone and worse should definitely form part of our planning. The only serious plan is to work much harder on leaving the planet. The 'great ****ing off' era can't come to soon for humanity (maybe not so good for the universe).
Future humans who don't come to exist won't mind at all if they don't come to exist on another planet or on this one. I don't want to come across as an antinatalist, but rabid natalism doesn't seem wise either. The primary good reason I can see for expansion onto other planets would be that it would help those with the misfortune of existing to pass the time.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:17 AM   #5
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We've done better than I would have expected.

Future humans who don't come to exist won't mind at all if they don't come to exist on another planet or on this one. I don't want to come across as an antinatalist, but rabid natalism doesn't seem wise either. The primary good reason I can see for expansion onto other planets would be that it would help those with the misfortune of existing to pass the time.
You're a chezlawian rather than a madnakian utilitarian <an old argument>

and clearly those who wont exist don't care but that doesn't mean I don't like the idea of humanity infesting the universe. Makes me happy to think of a future where people are cracking out the IPAs and the toast is 'the great ****ing off!'. of course I can be happy about this idea without it ever happening but it's easier if there's money being spent on it
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:14 AM   #6
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You're a chezlawian rather than a madnakian utilitarian



and clearly those who wont exist don't care but that doesn't mean I don't like the idea of humanity infesting the universe. Makes me happy to think of a future where people are cracking out the IPAs and the toast is 'the great ****ing off!'. of course I can be happy about this idea without it ever happening but it's easier if there's money being spent on it
I add in that if humanity* is conscious and has a desire to exist beyond earth that it will endeavor to do so, and that this really isn't my problem. I imagine that my left big toe, to the extent that it can, has a similar viewpoint of me.

It would explain a lot if it (humanity) is conscious and is trying it's best to end it all. Or, perhaps, it is just clumsy and stubs me accidently from time to time.

The parallels are parallel.

*as opposed to humans
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Old 04-01-2020, 03:24 PM   #7
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Re: Coronavirus: Yellowstone -1.0?

Expanding Humanity into the silliness of the universe, instead of wasting all of our silliness on a single planet, is a bold and worthwhile plan and should be executed post haste with consummate skill and aplomb.
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