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If something with low intelligence can do something, it necessarily means that high intelligence is not required to do that something. Feelings of affinity and acting in an agreeable manner are not the stuff of smartness.

What takes true wisdom and intelligence is pairing bread and cheese correctly.

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11-14-2015 , 11:32 AM

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I'm skeptical of reducing dignity down to an exchange of chemicals which appears like affinity and unity. Not overly skeptical. It can be expressed by ants as a microcosm that those functions and behaviors are observable attributes of the universe.

If ants have the dignity of a conscious will that is developed from wisdom and intelligence, we can't talk with them about it. Honey, I Shrunk The Dignity!

Dignity gotta start somewhere. I feel inspired to watch Bug's Life.

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11-14-2015 , 11:50 AM

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Of course, if we are to call dignity an attribute of the universe, we must do the same for hair. Hair is an observable attribute of the universe. So are shallow thoughts that sound like they have deep meaning.

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11-14-2015 , 12:05 PM

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Why be the one talking about hair and shallow thoughts while the consideration of the dignity of wisdom and intelligence is available and existent in the universe?

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11-14-2015 , 12:29 PM

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Because hair and shallow thoughts are available and existent in the universe to a much greater extent. They must be more important or there'd not be so many.

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11-14-2015 , 12:50 PM

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Science and Math has always been our first transhuman attempt. This is what unites all civilizations in their post biological era.

Science dates Lascaux. Math quantifies Lascaux.

Lascaux is art, mathematics and science. As an expression of humanity, it is an early soul capable of individual expression.

You cannot have sentience without art.

And whether hair or limbic matter or hair modified to limbic matter for purposes of educational, cautionary torture...

I'm sure there are cave paintings older than Lascaux using the blood of prey. They will just be more difficult to find. Smarter predators, don't you see.

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11-14-2015 , 12:55 PM

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Because hair and shallow thoughts are available and existent in the universe to a much greater extent. They must be more important or there'd not be so many.

Could that be an appearance fallacy of quantity over quality? What basis do you rank importance? What makes the quantity indicate a level of importance?

The quantity of shallow thoughts and hair speak nothing informative of the quality of any thoughts towards the dignity of wisdom and intelligence.

However, I also do not rule out importance for shallowness. Why stop at shallow dignity if deeper dignity maybe available? Instead of shallow and deep why not frame dignity as more and less? Perhaps what we are talking about is not related at all in a diametrical paradigm. The deepest oceans still has a shallow surface.

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11-14-2015 , 12:59 PM

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Algae or garbage vortices. Shrug. /same

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11-15-2015 , 02:58 AM

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Because hair and shallow thoughts are available and existent in the universe to a much greater extent. They must be more important or there'd not be so many.

Wait a minute, were you one of those older hairy boys in the kiddie pool, is that what this is all about?

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11-15-2015 , 01:13 PM

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Zoo hypotheses. Here we have the humans, variably hairy and shallow, though great fun to watch fornicate.

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11-15-2015 , 01:41 PM

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the hair and shallow thoughts turn this thread has taken is awesome and advisable for all threads.

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11-15-2015 , 01:57 PM

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Remember kids, trees are made up of both forests and microscopic trees.

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11-15-2015 , 02:49 PM

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Could that be an appearance fallacy of quantity over quality?

Yes.

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11-16-2015 , 06:41 AM

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Has anyone watched pbs space time on YouTube?? Some really good questions covered including lots around the possibilities/challenges involving aliens

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11-16-2015 , 11:05 AM

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What all alien civilizations have in common is their ultimate top wisdom AI. It will have universal properties independent of the original species details but born out of it and ultimately unable to avoid convergence to what the laws of physics and mathematics (logic) force it to become, a higher step of complexity than that of organic life, any life. Its natural environment/playground is ultimately the universe itself, the natural law and the mathematics behind it that all AI will have in common.

It is for this reason that i am not afraid at all. Only getting there is the problem. But once there we have nothing to fear from supreme wisdom.

Science and Math has always been our first transhuman attempt. This is what unites all civilizations in their post biological era.

Terence Tao doesnt believe in AI. AI seems to be a moving target. Every time we achieve what we thought it would be we redefine it. It used to be chess machines that would beat the top players, today we have that and the mystery is all gone - its just boring equations doing their thing.

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11-16-2015 , 05:38 PM

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Zoo hypotheses. Here we have the humans, variably hairy and shallow, though great fun to watch fornicate.

What is it that the innocent Capulet said? Let copulation thrive? Might've been shrewish however.

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its just boring equations doing their thing.

Yeah. Probably why I stick to lingering and playful sine curves.

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11-30-2015 , 12:55 AM

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Has anyone watched pbs space time on YouTube?? Some really good questions covered including lots around the possibilities/challenges involving aliens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJONS7sqi0o

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11-30-2015 , 04:18 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJONS7sqi0o

Rick Moranis trumped Fermi without Fermat. DUNCY?

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01-09-2016 , 10:53 AM

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https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2016-01

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01-10-2016 , 03:50 PM

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can't we all just get along?

We can't even get along with each other.

Why the F would we get along with a bunch of alien a-holes?

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01-11-2016 , 10:55 AM

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08-13-2016 , 11:22 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...pler-telescope

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08-29-2016 , 05:02 PM

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Not a drill
http://observer.com/2016/08/not-a-dr...O8a8VF.twitter

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08-30-2016 , 05:02 PM

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Not a drill
http://observer.com/2016/08/not-a-dr...O8a8VF.twitter

Why did the Russians keep this under wraps for more than a year? What is the frequency, bandwidth, Doppler drift? Is it not from known local interference? Has this been observed or confirmed by others? Not ready to believe it's SETI, yet...