You're looking for a soulmate and she's looking for someone to buy her and her friends alcohol. 21 sounds like a reasonable line to draw. You can go for drinks and not have to worry about her fake ID getting spotted.

I was seeing a 21 yo for a bit when I was 34. But she had her own apartment and a kid. I even met her mom and stepdad, and her mom was only 10 years older than me. She was OK with her daughter dating an older guy, and even encouraged it. Your mileage may vary especially if the real dad is in the picture, and she's living in her childhood bedroom, etc. If it's just for a night or short term fling, fine. But otherwise, there can be a big difference in maturity level for among 21 yo's.

i was in a 5 year relationship with someone almost 8 years younger than me, i thought it was feasible for the most part but our arguments were the nut low as those were the times the maturity gap really showed itself, she'd also use it as a crutch about setting expectations excusing things she did as she's younger and expecting a higher standard out of me because i'm older, but not for good reasons just stupid bs brought up in an argument

kept justifying to myself that she'd get older to the point where we'd be more on the same page but so would i and the gap never really closed despite that 34/27 is iindeed a very different perceived gap than 39/32

I dated someone 8 years younger than me for 6 years and our age difference never came up or was mentioned once. I never thought about it. When I was in highschool I dated a girl 1 year younger than me and she always called me immature. Often I think people my age are too mature and have too many responsibilities and that turns me off to them. I'm in the process of becoming a musician so I feel like I need a hard line in the sand that I agree with 100% that I can stand behind fully. That would let me relax a lot about myself and my ethics I think, and then I could stop thinking about it and have some actual fun for once.

oh to be clear, it was far more about just who she was as a person than age, i just mistakingly ignored a bunch of red flags as "that's due to the age gap and it'll sort itself out over time"

i think at my age that kind of gap still feasible

matched with a 20 year old today but going on a date with a 33 year old on thursday, 20 ie she's still in college, can't even legally go to a bar, probably just going to ignore unless she messages first which is extremely unlikely

This is a topic where I side on nature.

Your sexual organs mature =- you're old
enough to ****

Everything else is society brainwashing

Interesting to note that brain mature at 25, in case you wanted to talk about full aware consent, but that seems a little late to call you an adult mmm, or is it?

It probably is late to call you an adult, because they were times in humanity that it was hard to just get to 25-30... alive

You said you 35 and feel comfortable with a 21 girl. Im 35 too and I dont feel comfy with a 21. Oh I find her hot and everything, but the talking may break it, the gap is too much... but yeah if she was interesting in a way I like, I'd go for it, but it seems unlikely... I really don't want to change her diapers, looking for a full grown woman, but women's prime is before men's prime; I'm really open about it all, just dont want to hear her laugh at stupid ****ing ****, or have ideas that are just like come on..

So yeah, society decided that age of consent is not 12 and it's not 25; and it's different from culture to culture, so it really just is an abritrary line drawn in the sand; but you cant drive out society completely either because we're social animals and that society is made up of many many brains, so the global symbiosis of many brains may be more accurate overall, although you gotta take it with a grain of salt

Well, yes and no.

The reason we have sex is to produce a child. Ultimately, there is no other reason. So, as societal conditions vary, our ability to care for and raise a child varies. It isn't completely arbitrary.

5,000 to 10,000 years ago, when **** sapiens became dominant and life was both simpler and shorter, it made sense to have children early and often. Even as late as the mid 1,800s it made some sense in the agrarian parts of the world to have children early as you needed those workers to provide for the family.

However, as society became more complex, it has become more and more difficult to provide for a child and it takes longer to learn enough to be able to do that successfully, hence the delay imposed by society on the age of consent.

In short, sex ain't about getting your nut, it's about making a baby. Then it's about raising that baby into another adult - another living, breathing human being with their own needs, wants and desires.

Saying that being an adult is the time you can raise a baby, with the humans surely the slowest creature to get it going, in comparison to some animals that can walk straight out.

What you say is necessary, in the sense that, if you don't think like you do, well you just don't exist because you're being weeded out of existence if you don't have a baby; at lease under some points of views. As for if it is true, it's a whole other story.

If you go 10,000 years ago, then getting your nut out = having a baby~ Which is probably why being attractive is so pulling, because if you get it out, you're still in the game.

Maybe it's all around pedophilia, like when a 30 years old flirts with a 12 years old, it's like common sense that it is wrong, but is that only my culture talking, maybe.

To say society sets age of consent because it takes time to have a baby is just plain wrong, age of consent is more than that, it's being an adult, making your own decisions; like buying cigarettes, going to strip clubs, or in jungly-ish culture, to go into a dark cavern and face your fears; then, you're an adult n you can make your own choices, By being an adult, waterfalls down the agreed allowance for you to choose to sleep with who you want and have a baby. At the very least, there isn't one single reason why there's age of consent, there's many.

I think you can't go wrong saying a 25 yeras old human is an adult, because it is fully formed, so it is objectively an adult... It only regenerates and decays from there, and its primary laid on scaffolding. That's why you can lose a nose, a finger, or have scars. The scaffolding you have doesn't regenerate, you only have blood and energy to patch things up.

I think that age of consent is a complex concepts, and complex concepts integrated by many brains might bright out the best solution. So to say society gives age of consent at this age because (...) seems rather presumptuous of a statement, because you don't know, and you don't know what everybody thinks, and everybody don't know why they think like that, but it still comes out with some solution, so it's hardly this one person that invented the perfect answer, more so an agreed generalization spread as a whole society.

Wow, just wow. I didn't say anything about most of the stuff you talked about. In particular, I didn't say anything about being an adult. I spoke about being able to support and raise a child requiring people being different ages before they had the ability to support a family, depending on the society they lived in.

For example, in ancient Sumeria, a 14 year old son of a farmer, with his extended family would have no problem providing for a child. Today, in western society that would be very difficult.

I would add that age of consent, being a legal adult and reaching an age of maturity is not necessarily the same thing. If you polled people over 50, the average age of maturity would be closer to 30 than not.

There's no evidence that we're any bit smarter than 150,000 years ago. I believe the implications of that.

I don't know what's your concept of difficult.

The easiest time to do -anything-, is today.

Take a modern teen, it couldn't survive 5 minutes 150,000 years ago, or in ancient anything. Eating roots in the rain and the cold while beat up oh yeah? In term of absolute difficultly, the earlier you go the harder it is. That was some tough people. It's not that it's harder today, it's that you're born in the clouds and you perceive your life to be hard, and you have google if you want to know how to do something.

Would a teen or you survive much in those times? Probably not. It's too hard. You have it easy you think it's hard. It's hard for everyone, life is hard, but they had it harder.

They found bones in Sumeria. It was in some sort of a locked-after-completion, hidden pit inside a Sumerian structure. The bones analyst said those were 30 years old bones by the usage, and that the person had a broken leg.
The bones analyst theorize that it was the pit of death. They theorize that it one of the slave builder, and that at 30 years old with a broken leg, the others estimated that he was already very old, and with a broken leg he wouldn't make it for much time; so they used him for the weekly sacrifice.

We eat for nourishment as a rule but sometimes we just do it because we like it. We have sex to make babies but sometimes we do it just for fun and use science to stop any babies from happening. Thats like eating but using science to make the food go out of your throat after you swallow it so it skips your body. If that were common practice, we wouldn't say that the reason we eat is for nourishment, we would say that it's one of the reasons we do it.

If this is true, what do you think about this scenario: a male is castrated at birth by accident. Is this person exempt from your age rules on consent? I'm finding an example for you to think about where procreation is impossible but sex is still possible.

We can actually just look at it this way: if tomorrow, all males in the world had their balls drop off, should the age of consent be changed? I really dont know how to answer that question lol.

150,000 years ago **** sapiens were all still in Africa, the migration to the rest of the world wasn't until about 50,000+ years ago. I was restricting my arguments to known, if ancient history. Sumeria, however, was roughly 5,000 years ago and will do nicely for comparisons.

Though members of the ruling class lived roughly as long as we do, it was very different for the general population, which seemed to have an average lifespan of about 35 years. So, if you're going to raise a child, you really needed to start somewhere between 14 and 17. That is going to mean that the 14-17 year old had to start earning to support his family.

Compare that to today. Should someone that young have a child, it is overwhelmingly likely that they won't be the one to be finically responsible. Rather, they would be supported.

Why the difference? Easy, as societies evolve, so does the knowledge required to function in society. In ancient times, you could do this much sooner in life. Hence the difference is the age of consent. The same logic applies to modern societies that are agrarian and don't require more knowledge to function.

There is one part that baffles me though. This is something that was true 5,000 years ago and in some societies still true today. 30+ year old men marrying 14 year old girls.

I said "Ultimately".

What? At best, this is a fringe case. At worst, it's a redirection away from the point. Either way, it's not worth pursuing.

I think there's also a factor when viewing the seeking out of potential marriage partners as a kind of marketplace. Sexual attractiveness and reputation can be viewed as things of value being bartered in the marriage marketplace. I believe there are states where it's legal for underage girls to marry older men if her parents consent. The law does not condemn sex between the older man and the underage girl once they are married. But, like other contracts, the law also implies that the underage girl is not competent to enter into the marriage contract on her own. The competency must be provided by her parents.

So the statute of limitations provides the underage girl with some protection against being taken advantage of by older men while still allowing underage girls access to the marriage market with the advice and consent of her parents. The value of sexual attractiveness in the marriage market for many women, as seen in some places, is highest prior to the girl's age of competency to enter into such a contract.


PairTheBoard

An 18 year old woman tried something with me when I was much younger. Any judge or jury in the land would convict her if it affected me negatively. It didn't exactly


When I was 16 my girlfriend was 15. That is not a legal concern. I turned 17, while she turned 16. Age of consent here is 17. Or 16. Either way I was wrong once legally but not morally, obviously. Not sure if the statue of limitations is a thing here either.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_W_Rgk822og?feature=share

I was browsing SMP and stumbled across this thread -- I've always found this such an interesting topic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_o...tes#State_laws

According to wiki, 31 states have the AoC as 16 years old.

I just found this old screenshot so I logged back into 2p2 to share it in this thread:



I am Sacagawea and can prove it by logging into that account.

I also have a Jeremy Hambly twitter post about MAP but I didn't save it to my computer in the correct folder which I'm looking in now and can't find it. (note to self -- this is what happens when you download stuff but don't take the extra 5 seconds to move the downloaded file to a place where it "makes sense" to belong there)

Also here is a screenshot RationalDeviant sent me to a woman he was chatting with on Telegram:

I had a friend with that attitude at that age, because he was afraid of AIDS.

I saved a screenshot once.

How this hasn't been posted already is mind-boggling

I recently started dating a 20 year old that I met on tinder.

Shes cool as ****, cooler than me.

Since going out in public with her I've lost my fear of being thought of as a creep.

My ex, whos 36, one of my best friends thought she was 21, so this entire time people have been thinking what their thinking without me even knowing, so im like, who cares anymore.

I am conscious of and I do make sure not to take advantage of her because of my age difference and experience difference, the best I can.

My wife and I look younger than our ages, but last week we had an encounter that took the cake. I love roller skating and we went to the local rink. The girl at the window asked my wife if she was an adult (she's 43 btw) so that made her night.