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Was the XFL just an idea ahead of its time? Was the XFL just an idea ahead of its time?

01-25-2018 , 12:04 PM
3 years?

Didn't the 1st attempt only last like 5 weeks?
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01-25-2018 , 12:09 PM
I mean, is Vince unaware of the WLAF/NFL Europe? If an alternative league backed by the NFL can't succeed what chance does Vince think he has the second time around? But whatever, if it costs Vince money like AUGUY said I'm all for the dumpster burning (though I doubt i'll watch)
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01-25-2018 , 12:15 PM
I feel like they have to go the other way - make it near 100% passing with 3-digit scoring totals. something like field 9 players for each side and fumbles automatically give possession to other team
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01-25-2018 , 12:30 PM
Isn't that kinda how CFL is?

I think this is destined to fail but is it possible that the insane rights to air sporting events nowadays could make it viable?
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01-25-2018 , 01:03 PM
Just read this thread and saw it mentioned earlier, but IMO this is the only way something like this succeeds and it actually makes a lot of sense.

Don't compete with the NFL, the owners are all billionaires now, the revenues are massive, you aren't going to be able to pay for top players like the USFL did with Kelly, Flutie, Herschel.

Compete with college football. Make it a league of 18-22 year olds and pay the top college players.

Hire real coaches, personnel people, etc....It's Vince McMahon so this won't happen but this does seem like something that is exploitable.

And with like 10 teams, I'd think the quality of play would be pretty good.
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01-25-2018 , 01:52 PM
i would watch if they featured guys like RG3, Kaep, tebow, manziel. It would be a circus, but would be entertaining. An RG3-Kaepernick title game would be awesome
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01-25-2018 , 02:05 PM
Would have to include 18-22s as well as the olds as well. NFL will obviously try and put a ruling out saying anyone who plays XFL can't ever enter the draft, but I doubt it would ever hold up long enough to be a problem for the league. Enough desperate kids would prefer to take the 40k a year as opposed to playing 3 years of college ball.

Compete in the summer, try and profit, be a very pro offence league.

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Semi-related, but they have to bring back SlamBall IMO, that was dope to watch back in the day.
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01-25-2018 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
I feel like they have to go the other way - make it near 100% passing with 3-digit scoring totals. something like field 9 players for each side and fumbles automatically give possession to other team
Arena league isn't too far from this and there's no teams left besides Philly.

Then again a league where there are no flags for big hits and no concussion protocols if you can see I'm holding up fingers get back in there.

I did love the scramble for the ball (yes, I'm aware the first one a guy was out for the season) and they started SKYCAM. Also brock lesnar's current music was Chicago's.

Biggest problem is travel costs, all of the semi leagues are condensing because of it. The best markets are like Omaha, San Diego and I'm gonna have to start thinking for a bit after that. Can't do non american with a STAND FOR THE ANTHEM theme.

All games start at same time (minus one so they're not all at halftime at the same time) and they just air a redzone style channel as the national broadcast instead of an actual game?
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01-25-2018 , 02:44 PM
Trump is going to go HAM supporting this league, Vince is his buddy that contributed alot to his campaign and Trump is spiteful about never being allowed to own a NFL team. That's the difference between now and 2000 that Vince is banking on making the difference.
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01-25-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
i would watch if they featured guys like RG3, Kaep, tebow, manziel. It would be a circus, but would be entertaining. An RG3-Kaepernick title game would be awesome
If they could sign all 4 of them they'd get monster ratings.
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01-25-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Just read this thread and saw it mentioned earlier, but IMO this is the only way something like this succeeds and it actually makes a lot of sense.

Don't compete with the NFL, the owners are all billionaires now, the revenues are massive, you aren't going to be able to pay for top players like the USFL did with Kelly, Flutie, Herschel.

Compete with college football. Make it a league of 18-22 year olds and pay the top college players.

Hire real coaches, personnel people, etc....It's Vince McMahon so this won't happen but this does seem like something that is exploitable.

And with like 10 teams, I'd think the quality of play would be pretty good.
people dont care about college football because of the players. its because they connect with the schools
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01-25-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Trump is going to go HAM supporting this league, Vince is his buddy that contributed alot to his campaign and Trump is spiteful about never being allowed to own a NFL team. That's the difference between now and 2000 that Vince is banking on making the difference.
I know Trump DGAF but aren't there federal laws against promoting private businesses as President?
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01-25-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Trump is going to go HAM supporting this league, Vince is his buddy that contributed alot to his campaign and Trump is spiteful about never being allowed to own a NFL team. That's the difference between now and 2000 that Vince is banking on making the difference.
This makes a lot of sense as to the timing. Prepare for a lot of TRUMPTWEETS raging about the NFL, anthem kneeling, black players, etc. Sigh.
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01-25-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
people dont care about college football because of the players. its because they connect with the schools
yeah and it isn't like anyone cares about 17-18 y/o football players like a Ben Simmons or Andrew Wiggins and wants to see them play for their NFL prospects.

Still think I'd try to compete with CFB rather than NFL. Atleast it is a pathway to get some of the best players at that age group, whereas NFL players you have no chance.
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01-25-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by patron
This makes a lot of sense as to the timing. Prepare for a lot of TRUMPTWEETS raging about the NFL, anthem kneeling, black players, etc. Sigh.
This league is gonna be all white? hmm, **** that could work...
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01-25-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I know Trump DGAF but aren't there federal laws against promoting private businesses as President?
Yes, there are, but like you said, Trump DGAF, and an R Congress DGAF, so ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯.
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01-25-2018 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I mean, is Vince unaware of the WLAF/NFL Europe? If an alternative league backed by the NFL can't succeed what chance does Vince think he has the second time around? But whatever, if it costs Vince money like AUGUY said I'm all for the dumpster burning (though I doubt i'll watch)


You don’t wanna watch Johnny Manziel or Kaep in the xfl with wwe-type rules? It would be amazing! (Meaning it would be so bad it’s entertaining...for a little while)

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01-25-2018 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
people dont care about college football because of the players. its because they connect with the schools
This is also correct for the NFL. People are just fans of teams, not players. The NFL learned this in the 80's lockout.
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01-25-2018 , 03:23 PM
Vince's wife is in the trump administration. Literally, she's the admin of small business.

That said, if it doesn't get on fox news Trump might not bother to tweet about it.
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01-25-2018 , 03:25 PM
the nfl is selling the highest quality of football play

my point is that a new league cant compete against college football based on having similar quality of play, because that isn't what college football is selling
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01-25-2018 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
This league is gonna be all white? hmm, **** that could work...
Between this and "old school" physical play, total receptions per game should be in single figures
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01-25-2018 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I think the bottom line is once the novelty wears off you aren't watching the best players in the world and that's all there is to it.

Would be surprised if this succeeds.
Not the best teams in the world seems to be working reasonably well for MLS

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Originally Posted by royalblue
Between this and "old school" physical play, total receptions per game should be in single figures
White DBs though.
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01-25-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
the nfl is selling the highest quality of football play
The lockout in the 80's with replacement players nobody stopped watching. They didn't give a damn about quality of play. They literally just wanted to root for their team. That's it, that's sport fandom.

The point is simple; it's very very difficult to get a startup league going. All the big ones now at first nobody gave a damn but that was not in the attention starved citizenry--hey we just lost a **** ton of millions of dollars if it fails era.
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01-25-2018 , 03:52 PM
They can change the rules to make it more entertaining and offset the lack of quality players.

Just adapt all the football suggestions from the "Post a rule change that you think would improve a sport" thread and you're good to go.
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01-25-2018 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
The lockout in the 80's with replacement players nobody stopped watching. They didn't give a damn about quality of play. They literally just wanted to root for their team. That's it, that's sport fandom.
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The NFLPA went on strike for a month in 1987 upon the expiration of the 1982 CBA; the league's free-agent policy was the major matter in dispute.[42] This time, however, the strike only canceled one week of the season. For three weeks, the NFL staged games with hastily assembled replacement teams,[31][43] made up principally of players cut during training camp and players left out of work from the closure of the United States Football League two years prior (along with, to a lesser extent, the Montreal Alouettes of the CFL, who had folded just three months prior to the strike). They were joined by a few veterans who crossed the picket lines,[31] including New York Jets defensive end Mark Gastineau, Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle Randy White, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Joe Montana, New England Patriots quarterback Doug Flutie, and Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Steve Largent.[43]

Given the willingness of the players to cross the picket lines and networks to broadcast the replacement games, despite a 20% drop in television viewership and even steeper drops in attendance, the union failed to achieve their demands. The strike ended on October 15, 1987, without a collective bargaining agreement in place.[44][45]
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The games played by these replacement players were regarded with even less legitimacy (attendance plummeted to under 10,000 fans at many of the games in smaller markets, including a low of 4,074 for the lone replacement game played in Philadelphia), but nonetheless were counted as regular NFL games.[2] Final television revenues were down by about 20%, a smaller drop than the networks had expected.[3]
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