I'm guessing you're West coast? Games start at 10am on the East coast already. I'm not sure you're going to get people interested in 7 or 8am games in some league with minimal talent and no existing connection to the teams

Games start at 1pm on the East Coast other than a few London Games.

If the XFL operates with the notion that the only reason they are in business is for people to do DFS or gambling alas Jai-Alai, I think it could actually work.

And yet it is extremely hard. Even the USFL couldn't do it and they actually paid players NFL-ish salaries.

Lol sorry had it backwards

Or play on Thursday night to go up against the Stinker of the Week game. Your guys should have a full week so they'll look their best while the NFL looks its worst.

Yah but they had Donald Trump involved. I wouldn't trust him to run anything.

Vince seems like almost as big an idiot, although he at least has some track record of success. Don't feel like he'll be the guy to pinpoint the failings of the NFL and create a league that remedies them though.

Vince already competes with monday night football and thursday with smackdown and raw. SO they will put the games on sundays. They should do 11-1 games during that waiting period of boredom before the early nfl games.

MOAR football leagues

Charlie Ebersol is anxious to fail before McMahon

why tf does every tom dick & harry want to start their new football league one day after the ****ing superbowl?????????? ITS THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME

I think we've discussed that a little bit earlier itt, but I'm not so sure that's true. All options will obviously draw far far lower than the NFL. Considering that, is it better to:

1) Start soon after the Super Bowl and try to capture as much of the football watching audience as you can, by continuing their football watching habits on the same schedule? Or

2) Start in the summer and try to re-initiate people's football watching habits with a startup league? (With potentially more logistical problems in the summer?)

I don't think it's so clear cut, and think that an argument can be made for option 1. There's a reason that these new leagues are trying to start earlier rather than later though. It could be that they're stupid, or it could be that they've done market research on it.

there's only so much time that isn't NFL centric that the league can start in.

NFL runs from August-early February. This leaves them 6 months of the year to compete without football competition. February probably makes sense because you're not competing with much except NBA regular season, NHL regular season and College basketball. But if you start in February you're restricting yourself to warmer climates and no outdoor stadiums in the likes of Chicago/NYC/Philadelphia/etc.

In the summer you're going against NBA playoffs and NHL playoffs and baseball gets into full gear. I'm not sure if any league can compete nor the fact that they're using the fact that there are a lot of D1 football athletes who aren't in the NFL.

Well unless you pay a high or fair wage, it's probably not profitable for a player to join this new league. I also think it would be tough to have two jobs and play in a football league. The NFL doesn't even work that well except for probably the top 5-10% of players right now. Most sports aren't a true long term profession or even a retirement plan. NFL is huge and has a ton of $$$ in it and even then most players aren't killing it. Maybe that's not what these others players are looking for though but I think this is the issue with football copycats. Not enough money or interest and not enough good players who are willing to wait on their post sports career to start. I knew a guy who was easily good enough to be a star in the MLL (Major League Lacrosse) but had no interest in it due to the lack of $$$ and chose to join wall street instead. I'm not saying everyone is left with those same options but I think the viability of these leagues is tough in this era.

The XFL has 2 options to gain viewers:

1). Get people to bet on it
2). Develop a partnership with Draftkings

If they go the DK route it would make sense for them to run outside the NFL season. If they want the gambling aspect, then it might make sense to just run the 10am slot before NFL games on Sunday. Wake up and bet on the XFL games as an appetizer, let the rest fall into place.


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Had to read that Rovell article twice just to ensure that it wasn't some kind of parody

Yes of course this. The overnight shelf-stocker at Ralph's can't risk breaking his collarbone and having no income at all.

they can probably get a lot of guys to participate for almost nothing just because if you excel in nfl2 then nfl proper will take another look at you

an extended tryout, basically

You could also play the lottery.

what sort of weirdo is gonna be like 'well i think i might have the talent to play in the nfl but i cant spare 10 weeks chasing the dream, gotta really knuckle down and focus on my career in shelf stacking'

(this is the last paragraph of the article)

I can't decipher the bolded. The "losing team" of what? The coin toss?

(one interpretation is that there are no punts and if a team fails to convert on 4th, then the ball is placed at said 35 yard line, and not where the ball ended up during the turnover on downs.)

think it means that when its your kickoff you can either give opps the ball 1st & 10 on their 25 yd line, or you can run an offensive play, 4th & 10 from your 35. kind of an equivalent of the traditional onside kick, low conversion chance + high risk, sort of thing you'd probably only choose to do in a pinch

'the losing team' refers to the team which is in a position where they gotta try an onside kick

Re: players, I agree with BOIDS.

Capone, Namath, and others: Doesn't this issue exist with almost all minor leagues at the lower ends? They still get players.

All minor league sports they don't get paid ****. Baseball/basketball/etc, but plenty of people will chase the dream. Some people from the XFL still made the NFL for awhile.

two XFL's at the same time is pretty ridic, there's no way both can make it, minor league football leagues are having a lot of issues right now just staying alive and they're throwing two more into the mix.

Ideally it'd be after the draft and they'd have a partnership with the NFL and the drafted players would go play in them. That will never happen because a) they hate losing money and b) season ending injuries.

That lull in summer you'd think is better but people dont' watch TV then, they do in feb. Issue with Feb is obv, uh why the hell are we playing football outside in Feb and trying to get people to show up for reg season minor league games.

Have you guys ever heard of amateur football leagues? People right now that have no chance to make the NFL play tackle football with pads, and have a regular job. I don't think the XFL has to worry about getting players.


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The issue is how big of a market is there to watch this level of football? Right now we have 2 levels of football that are popular--NFL and college football. One is the highest level, one is the highest level of young amateurs thats supported by a alums and fans of schools. We've had multiple leagues try to compete at below the NFL level and for players older than those who can goto college and basically all of them have failed in one way or another--USFL, European Football League, XFL, Arena Football league (for the most part), etc. So yes there are people who want to play, but do people want to pay and support it. Will advertisers pay for it? Maybe in the short term, but if no one watches, then it'll fail.

Hence why I said they need to go the gambling route or the DFS route to get viewers.


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