Pretty much this 👆

Great QB much more valuable than great coach. The Brady haters are out of control.

lol

You can legitimately compare Brady with other QBs when conversing.

With BB, he has no contemporaries. The difference between him and the 2nd best HC is miles longer than Brady and the 2nd best QB.

that could be true but Brady could still be more valuable.

imagine how good a kicker would need to be before you considered him more valuable than the best QB.

Without running #s I'd say being automatic from 80 in should do it.

How do you leave out Harper Williams

Hard to say which is more valuable, but a consistent dynasty type run needs great coach and qb.

Also Andy Reid has to be a top 5 coach. His primary qbs have been a game manager and a glorified one in Mcnabb, yet his teams consistently win.

He would be if he didn't blatantly give away equity on Sunday with bad clock management and fourth-down decisions. He's easily a top 5 coach at preparing during the week, maybe even #2.

Shocking, but everyone feels the need to extricate the value of one from the other.

The whole team was a lot better, including the offensive line. Worst run blocking and 30th in pass blocking this year (by adjusted line yards and adjusted sack rate). Basically the exact same after Harbaugh left.

Although their pass protection has been pretty bad all these years, they were 10th in run blocking the final Harbaugh year and were number 1 in their SB season.


Makes sense if a run first QB is more successful with that kind of o-line.

sounds like he did some coaching to get better performance out of players

Maybe. They lost 4x Pro Bowler Iupati after Harbaugh's final year, Goodwin who played on Saints SB team as starting center and started all games from 2011-2013 for the 9ers, Anthony Davis retired after Harbaugh left, etc.

Iupati obviously was a huge loss, then add the instability with other players leaving and possibly a lack of talent overall, and it makes sense why the line really sucks these past two years.

Mike Solari was their o-line coach 1 year before Harbaugh until Harbaugh left. Their o-line actually got slightly worse the first year Harbaugh became coach. Solari has also been a mixed bag throughout his career, so I don't really think Harbaugh was doing much. Foerster who took over when Tomsula became HC was a mixed bag with the Redskins.

Then you can look at Alex Smith who has been the same QB for the 49ers and Chiefs. I think more than anything Harbaugh figured out to implement a good system for his QBs. A run first offense with Smith or Krapernick is what is necessary for the success of either of them. Now Krap has no o-line or a receiver to throw to. Either of these QBs having to Godgers is not going to work out. I can't imagine Smith having much success if he was starting for the 49ers these past two years.



I think the bigger point here is that a lot of players are system players. While Brady is awesome, he clearly thrives in Belichick's system. And not only him, but why they can bring in any white WR they want, make catch and run RBs so effective, and have a defense that always performs extremely well without many big names. Most coaches can't figure out how to use their players properly or the team chooses big name players that often don't fit into their schemes.

I'm pretty comfortable with Brady being labeled the GOAT system QB. He might not "draw plays up in the sand" like Rodgers claims he does, but I'm pretty certain when Brady steps to the line he has complete audible control, and uses it as much as Peyton did.

As an ancillary benefit, BB has managed to extract max value on other, lesser, QBs that he's plugged in when Brady's out. Then the player goes elsewhere and flops.

Hell, it's the same for NE coaches. There about to repeat the process with JimmyG

BB could easily have some 7-9, 8-8 years without a top QB, especially when the injuries pile up. I know he has no peers but tons of other good coaches have had teams crash and burn, it happens all the time.

Unless the team just really blows, very hard for a Brady/Rodgers/Manning to win <10 games, and when you combine every year of the 3's career, we have a pretty big sample size to show that.

JimmyG has a few differences from Hoyer/Cassel/Mallett, but gosh that narrative sure is fun!

How many games do you think the 2011 Colts win with starting-for-the-first-time Cassel and BB? Mebbe more than 2?

drew brees has 7 wins in four of the past five seasons

I don't think Brees is quite on the level of those 3, but referencing the Saints proves my point really. They've had WOAT D all 4 of those years and still 7-9 is the worst they did.

Move BB to the Colts in 2011 and he makes sure they don't **** around and win those last two games. BBC isn't dumb.

it's Dante Scarnecchia, ldo

Especially if you look at some of the wins they had this year. Chargers 4th quarter comeback, close game against Seattle at home, and the Panthers shootout. They are probably 2-14, maybe 1-15 without Brees. The only game I am confident in them winning without Brees was against the Rams. Swap Brees and Gabbert/Krap and they probably swap records this year.

Belichick had 85% of the votes way back when everything was different and Brady was still in his 30s. I think this vote may not look the same today.

Nothing's more valuable than a goat QB. Coaches don't play the game. What a ridiculous thread.

Hmm, who was more valuable to the Yankees back in the late 90s/early 2000s, Joe Torre or Mariano Rivera?

Every debate like this is silly. A good coach may add some marginal win value but there is no comparison.

Oof. Which nath take is worse in hindsight, this one or his absolute undying hatred of Josh Allen as a prospect who was only being considered a 1st round pick because he seemed like a guy football people would like to see their daughter bring home?