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lol how is Arsene unfireable? The four mentioned could mass murder babies during the halftime show and still be praised by fans, Arsene gets booed for 0-0 draws

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09-23-2016 , 03:21 AM

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lol how is Arsene unfireable? The four mentioned could mass murder babies during the halftime show and still be praised by fans, Arsene gets booed for 0-0 draws

... and yet?

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09-23-2016 , 04:39 AM

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Well eventually he'll finish below Spurs.

...hahahahaha who am I kidding

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09-23-2016 , 05:50 AM

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Considering Brady is in the running for best QB ever

Lol

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09-23-2016 , 08:51 AM

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A shutout like last night's game.

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09-23-2016 , 09:09 AM

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in a way you could say that Belichick's mom is more valuable than Bardy because without Belichick's mom we'd have no Belichick but we might still have a Bardy who is not as valuable as Belichick

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09-23-2016 , 09:29 AM

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On November 16, 2014, Gray rushed for what was originally credited as 199 yards, later corrected to 201 yards, and a franchise-record four touchdowns on 38 carries in his fourth NFL game, leading the New England Patriots to a 42-20 victory over the host Indianapolis Colts. Gray would however only record 91 more total yards and was inactive for four of the Patriots remaining nine games including the team's win in Super Bowl XLIX after being benched for arriving to practice late. Gray finished the season with 89 carries that resulted in 412 total yards and 5 touchdowns.[11] On September 5, 2015 Gray was released by the Patriots.

Classic Belichick

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09-23-2016 , 10:00 AM

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Most unfireable coaches in sports

Belichick
Popovich
Saban
Krzyzewski
Geno Auriemma jk womens basketball isn't a sport

Am I missing anyone? There is the 99.5% unfireable tier, but those 4 stand alone to me

Don't underestimate how fickle SEC football fans can be. If Saban went 8-5 to 10-3 for 4 or 5 straight years he would probably be gone.

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09-23-2016 , 10:04 AM

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Brady is and always has been a system QB in the GOAT system.

Belichick has succeeded and will continue being able to succeed with any NFL level QB and RBs. In fact, I'm not sure why they don't just save the money and play QBs on rookie contracts or journeymen willing to take whatever the effective QB minimum is and spend the money on the already pretty good defense or offensive line or whatever.

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09-23-2016 , 10:05 AM

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Well if bama is going 8-5 for several years in a row he's probably failing hard enough to deserve to be fired.

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09-23-2016 , 10:08 AM

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Well if bama is going 8-5 for several years in a row he's probably failing hard enough to deserve to be fired.

yea, but conversely Coach K isn't getting fired even if Duke misses the tournament for 10 straight years.

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09-23-2016 , 10:20 AM

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Belichick has succeeded and will continue being able to succeed with any NFL level QB and RBs. In fact, I'm not sure why they don't just save the money and play QBs on rookie contracts or journeymen willing to take whatever the effective QB minimum is and spend the money on the already pretty good defense or offensive line or whatever.

1) Brady only makes midlevel money anyways
2) They played a rookie QB last night and he threw for 100 yards, you aren't gonna win Super Bowls that way unless you have the 85 Bears defense
3) You can't sustain success over the long term without an actual elite QB. People always talk about Cassell going 11-5 but they don't want to talk about how the offense went from GOAT in 2007 to meh in 2008 and the only notable change was Brady to Cassell (and the team went from 16-0 to missing the playoffs)

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09-23-2016 , 10:24 AM

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yea, but conversely Coach K isn't getting fired even if Duke misses the tournament for 10 straight years.

Joe Pa tho

There were calls for his head for a long time b4 Sandusky

Coach K is getting fired/pushed out imo

Bobby Bowden is an example of it coming to fruition

Did the Grambling coach go out on his terms?

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09-23-2016 , 10:26 AM

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Brady's the actual goat and allowed taught a lot to bill so he became goat as well.

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09-23-2016 , 10:28 AM

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did he throw 100 yards because that's all he can do or was it a part of the game plan and if belichick needs him to throw 400 he will do it

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09-23-2016 , 10:35 AM

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I'm guessing since he was 1/6 throwing more than 10 yards downfield, Brissett doesn't have a 400 yard game sitting in his back pocket

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09-23-2016 , 10:43 AM

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they were very unlucky to not make playoffs that year, and their pythagorean only went down about 3 wins iirc

3 wins above replacement level quarterback (which Matt Cassell essentially was) is nothing to sneeze at but not world-crushing either - don't quote me on this but I remember to read some analysis that Peyton produced almost double that rate in his best years

and don't forget all the trading down and extra picks that Bill's trades generated, the accumulated net value of his trades probably already exceeded Brady's trade value

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09-23-2016 , 10:45 AM

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Even our 96 final 4 team that was really the only team the whole tournament that gave that stacked rick pitino coached UK team a game (pitino played at umass in the 70s and got calapari his job, irony), had Camby and noone else who made it in the nba. Edgar Padilla, Carmelo Travieso, Dana Dingle, Donta Bright, were the other stars of that team. I think we lost by like 8 to a UK team with like 7 lottery picks on it. Calapari can coach his ass off if he wants to.

Sorry for derailing this thread to talk about mid 90s college basketball. UMass has made the tourney once since Cal and his immediate predecessor was unjustly fired.

Syracuse tho. 2 point game at the 4:32 mark.

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09-23-2016 , 10:53 AM

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Did the Grambling coach go out on his terms?

Forced terms but by health and physical condition not the administration running him out. They would've let him stay there until he died. He was in his late 70s in his last season in '97. 77-78 something like that.

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09-23-2016 , 10:54 AM

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Lol dude are you seriously responding to that idiocy?

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09-23-2016 , 10:57 AM

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Lol dude are you seriously responding to that idiocy?

For someone who supports a team that wins a lot you sure are permamad

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09-23-2016 , 11:11 AM

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Urban Meyer is probably the most untouchable coach if you factor in age.

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09-23-2016 , 11:12 AM

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For someone who supports a team that wins a lot you sure are permamad

Riiiiiiight.

Lol @ that coming from a jets fan.

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09-23-2016 , 11:16 AM

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3) You can't sustain success over the long term without an actual elite QB. People always talk about Cassell going 11-5 but they don't want to talk about how the offense went from GOAT in 2007 to meh in 2008 and the only notable change was Brady to Cassell (and the team went from 16-0 to missing the playoffs)

Totally reasonable way of describing the drop from 16-0 to 11-5

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09-23-2016 , 11:38 AM

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We've had this discussion too many times. The 2008 Pats dropped 30 points in offensive dvoa from 2007. Last year 30 points separated the #1 offensive dvoa from the 26th best team.

11-5 is indeed a weird record to miss the playoffs but they also had an easy schedule and somehow people underrate how much better they were the year before.

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