Pats 2-4 with wins over the texans and jets. still havent won a home game mostly thanks to belichicks lol decision making in the last 2 weeks.

also brady has 8 rings if belichick doesnt bench Malcolm Butler before SB52

Looking back it seems weird that this was ever a question.
And that I was on the wrong side of it.

Eh the Patriots roster looks like every movie where the players are all terrible but they have heart and eventually get there in the end. Which does not work in real life.

I dunno if I've ever heard of anyone on their roster

Mighty ducks I'm looking at you btw

Don't you dare bad mouth The Flying V!

mistakes may have been made, but mostly

cowards!

Average NFL Team Offense Rank as HC/OC Without Brady:
Belichick = 19
Josh McDaniels = 21.67
Weis = 15 (with misery at both Notre Dame and Kansas thrown in)
Bill O'Brien = 17.6 (never had a top 10 offense even with Watson/Hopkins/Dome)
Arians = 16
Leftwich = 17.5

It's never been the coaching, guys.

Belichick is a defensive coach though, right?

No, he’s the head coach, so he’s ultimately in charge of offense, defense and special teams. He was the defensive coordinator for the Giants a while back.

Without Brady, Belichick has a worse head coaching record than Rex Ryan. Considering Rex had to play Brady twice a year and Belichick has only had to play Brady once, that’s rough.

Pats now sitting at 7-4. Bucs sitting at 6-3. Makes u think.

Belichick has now coached 154 games without Brady - that's 9 and a half seasons.

He's at 72-81. 47% winning percentage, one playoff win. He's had a top 8 offense exactly once in those 9 full seasons.

Some coaches who've won more than 47% of their games without Tom Brady:
Rex Ryan 48%
Norv Turner 48%
Jim Mora 48%
Dave Wannstedt 49%
Mike Tice 49%
Wayne Fonts 49.6%

Makes one wonder how much of the Belichick legend is "Brady + cheat = wins." I used to think he was awesome esp. in regard to being the winning force behind Parcels. Not so sure at all any more.

How many games should a team led by offensive stalwarts Mac Jones, Jakobi Myers and Kendrick Bourne win?

The thing is that he brought all those guys in. He chose to bring in Cam last year and roll with him into this year then deciding that the 5th QB in the draft was his best option. It's clear Belichick is a great coach, but in terms of talent evaluation and roster management he has been hit-or-miss (but missing more often especially on offense despite Brady being paid below fair market value for the duration of his time there). Brady always covered for those misses making the Pats appear more consistent(ly great) than their year to year rosters would otherwise indicate.

The point was kind of his whole career as HC without Brady looks undistinguished. Way under .500 and zero playoff wins in 8 seasons. Is that even right? I think so. I was thinking he had one playoff win. His career as coordinator far more impressive. You know, without the GOAT showing up in his career, he might have been exactly that: a guy who excels at coordinator and meh as head coach. There's a lot of them, and he may be one of them only concealed by the GOAT.

* Yes, one playoff win. It was listed weird in one spot.

A lot of the "hit-or-miss" part of this, as it regards finding good players on offense, is simply this: He just won't use much draft capital on the offense

I've looked at every draft Belichick has had since Scott Pioli left in 2008, and BB became the full-time de-facto GM. In that time (09-21) he has had 30 1st or 2nd-round draft picks. He has picked 10 offensive players, and 20 on the defensive side. And 3 of those 10 were O-lineman.

So in the last 14 years, you've drafted 7 offensive skill players at the top of the draft? You would have to be truly incredible at finding later-round talent to make up for that, and he's not. No one is.

Here is a truly amazing factoid: Do you know who is the last offensive player from the Pats NOT named Gronk or Brady to make the Pro Bowl? James Devlin, a Fullback, in 2017.
Before that? Logan Mankins, in 2013.

(PS: Don't say "what about Slater?" He makes it on special teams)

If Brady had one of the top 2 scoring defenses in the NFL I bet Kupp wouldn't have made that catch.

boston globe reporting:

hoodie: OOPS, i texted the wrong brian, so sorry

Belichick is the greatest. Sick Machiavellian mother****er.

it's Belichick



or possibly Bailey Zappe

Belichick has now coached 159 games without Brady - that's almost 10 seasons.

He's at 75-84. 47% winning percentage, one playoff win. He's had a top 8 offense exactly once in those 9 full seasons.

Some coaches who've won more than 47% of their games without Tom Brady:
Rex Ryan 48%
Norv Turner 48%
Jim Mora 48%
Dave Wannstedt 49%
Mike Tice 49%
Wayne Fonts 49.6%

SE GOAT

Whoever first said that BB is simply an introverted Rex Ryan nailed it