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07-29-2021 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
^^^that is a great quote, one of my favorites. But to say Simone got to where she did without trying is so absurd I think you should have your internet immediately disconnected

Anthony bourdain had one of the coolest jobs in the world and still offed himself. This stuff runs deep

Did he though?
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07-29-2021 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperGrover123
“I can accept losing, but I cannot accept not trying”
- Micheal Jordan
Like when Scottie refused to play at the end of the game during the season Michael was taking off to play baseball?
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07-29-2021 , 06:15 PM
Heard a good one today. What if Tom Brady decided not to perform during a Super Bowl to try to find a better head space, feel better, respect his mental health, etc?

But if she was performing at a very sub par level and knew it was going to continue, knew she just didn't have it, the move is seen in a totally different light. She had such a dominating run didn't it have to implode at some point. Age 24. Isn't that "old" for gymnastics? Yeah they're all teenagers going back into the 60s when a couple repeated Olympic all around gold in their mid-20s ... still I don't think comparable to Simone's situation.

Last edited by FellaGaga-52; 07-29-2021 at 06:30 PM.
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07-30-2021 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Heard a good one today. What if Tom Brady decided not to perform during a Super Bowl to try to find a better head space, feel better, respect his mental health, etc?

But if she was performing at a very sub par level and knew it was going to continue, knew she just didn't have it, the move is seen in a totally different light. She had such a dominating run didn't it have to implode at some point. Age 24. Isn't that "old" for gymnastics? Yeah they're all teenagers going back into the 60s when a couple repeated Olympic all around gold in their mid-20s ... still I don't think comparable to Simone's situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%9...A1slavsk%C3%A1
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07-30-2021 , 06:53 PM
07-30-2021 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Heard a good one today. What if Tom Brady decided not to perform during a Super Bowl to try to find a better head space, feel better, respect his mental health, etc?

But if she was performing at a very sub par level and knew it was going to continue, knew she just didn't have it, the move is seen in a totally different light. She had such a dominating run didn't it have to implode at some point. Age 24. Isn't that "old" for gymnastics? Yeah they're all teenagers going back into the 60s when a couple repeated Olympic all around gold in their mid-20s ... still I don't think comparable to Simone's situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larisa_Latynina
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07-30-2021 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tchaz

She and one other is why I said back into the 60's, but you just can't compare the spectacle and pressure today to that era, when TV was only just a blip. Biles is doing things under pressure that she never heard of or even dreamed of. Two somersaults and a handstand got you adoration then.

Biles is on such a razor's edge in her performances that I do believe a drug could throw it into a loop. She's on a world record edge pushing the limits of human potential every time she goes out and that has to implode eventually. A somersault ... not so much. In fact, stay out of my threads. No offense.
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07-30-2021 , 07:56 PM
I'm not sure the world COVID situation can be ruled out as a compounding factor to these mental/emotional issues.
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07-30-2021 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
She and one other is why I said back into the 60's, but you just can't compare the spectacle and pressure today to that era, when TV was only just a blip. Biles is doing things under pressure that she never heard of or even dreamed of. Two somersaults and a handstand got you adoration then.
TBF I think the pressure then to win was greater, especially iron curtain countries.
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07-30-2021 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
I'm not sure the world COVID situation can be ruled out as a compounding factor to these mental/emotional issues.
Agreed Covid has had great psychological effects on the masses. A psychologist god I listen to was making this point a year ago and I was skeptical. Not anymore. People entire routines and jobs were interrupted ... and we are our habits, says Vaknin. It spells trouble.

Your ensuing comment needs removal, apology, deep regret and self-humiliation. And repentence. Don't bring that crap into my thread. In fact, you are barred from my threads too. No offences.
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07-30-2021 , 08:13 PM
I feel bad for her now but one sliver of the point stands: this should hurt her future as a pitch woman. Let Sunni sell Wheates and Simone gets to endorse prince Harry’s meditation app or some ****.
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07-30-2021 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
is doing things under pressure that she never heard of or even dreamed of.
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
In addition to her gymnastics success, Čáslavská was known for her outspoken support of the Czechoslovak democratization movement and her opposition to the 1968 Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia. At the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City, she took this protest to the world stage by quietly looking down and away while the Soviet national anthem was played during the medal ceremonies for the balance beam and floor exercise event finals. While Čáslavská's actions were applauded by her compatriots, they resulted in her becoming a persona non grata in the new regime. She was forced into retirement and for many years was denied the right to travel, work and attend sporting events.
lol you, lol simone biles and lol the usa
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07-30-2021 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tchaz
lol you, lol simone biles and lol the usa
gymnastics things under pressure, dumarse

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07-31-2021 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tchaz
lol you, lol simone biles and lol the usa
"Look Ma, I one-upped a guy on an internet chat about sports performance under pressure. Of course I had to completely leave the arena of discussion to try to do it, but I won, right???? Thanks in advance. Luv you."

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Note to self: To the extent my posts are simply a cheap attempt at one-upmanship, I should learn to hold my tongue.
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07-31-2021 , 01:27 PM
wow novax being a big ol' quitter and lighting 2 medals on fire uh2ci
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07-31-2021 , 02:52 PM
Joker really stood up for his doubles partner.
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07-31-2021 , 02:53 PM
Nole is the hero we all aspire to be. Such courage to ensure his personal safety.
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07-31-2021 , 09:25 PM
It seems like people are all assuming that Simone Bile's withdrawals are about the stress and the pressure of competing in the Olympics but isn't that a just dumbed-down explanation created so that the casuals could understand what's going on? She seems to be saying that the reason for her withdrawal is that she just doesn't have the feel for her body in the air that she needs to safely execute her routines. And apparently this is a thing that happens to gymnasts from time to time. This seems more like a pitcher losing the feel for some pitches, a basketball player struggling with free throw mechanics or a quarterback having accuracy issues, all of which can happen with or without pressure. I mean, even when I play catch with friends or my kids, some days I have a great feel for the football and throw accurately with a spiral every time. Other days, I just don't have it and everything is a little bit off. I'm not competing out there and feel absolutely no pressure whatsoever either way, it's just that the muscle memory is rather fallible. For top athletes, while the average performance level is on a different level, I'm sure they go through stretches where everything isn't coming together and their margin of error is very small. That doesn't necessarily have to do with dealing with high-leverage situations, it's just that no one would care if she was having these issues in a non-Olympic year and in most other sports, you can work around having some of your skills not being quite as sharp as they normally are.

This whole stress and pressure angle seems to be mostly an explanation for what may have caused the problem and a way to get people who have never done aerial stunts to understand it, since it should be easy to empathize with the enormous amount of pressure she's facing as the anointed one but this is causing a lot of people to trivialize the issue. Getting over the stress and the anxiety and just forcing yourself to perform aren't going to magically allow you recapture the muscle memory and the sense of awareness you need to safely perform your routine.
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08-01-2021 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by candybar
It seems like people are all assuming that Simone Bile's withdrawals are about the stress and the pressure of competing in the Olympics but isn't that a just dumbed-down explanation created so that the casuals could understand what's going on? She seems to be saying that the reason for her withdrawal is that she just doesn't have the feel for her body in the air that she needs to safely execute her routines. And apparently this is a thing that happens to gymnasts from time to time. This seems more like a pitcher losing the feel for some pitches, a basketball player struggling with free throw mechanics or a quarterback having accuracy issues, all of which can happen with or without pressure. I mean, even when I play catch with friends or my kids, some days I have a great feel for the football and throw accurately with a spiral every time. Other days, I just don't have it and everything is a little bit off. I'm not competing out there and feel absolutely no pressure whatsoever either way, it's just that the muscle memory is rather fallible. For top athletes, while the average performance level is on a different level, I'm sure they go through stretches where everything isn't coming together and their margin of error is very small. That doesn't necessarily have to do with dealing with high-leverage situations, it's just that no one would care if she was having these issues in a non-Olympic year and in most other sports, you can work around having some of your skills not being quite as sharp as they normally are.

This whole stress and pressure angle seems to be mostly an explanation for what may have caused the problem and a way to get people who have never done aerial stunts to understand it, since it should be easy to empathize with the enormous amount of pressure she's facing as the anointed one but this is causing a lot of people to trivialize the issue. Getting over the stress and the anxiety and just forcing yourself to perform aren't going to magically allow you recapture the muscle memory and the sense of awareness you need to safely perform your routine.
Good post
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08-01-2021 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
It seems like people are all assuming that Simone Bile's withdrawals are about the stress and the pressure of competing in the Olympics but isn't that a just dumbed-down explanation created so that the casuals could understand what's going on? She seems to be saying that the reason for her withdrawal is that she just doesn't have the feel for her body in the air that she needs to safely execute her routines. And apparently this is a thing that happens to gymnasts from time to time. This seems more like a pitcher losing the feel for some pitches, a basketball player struggling with free throw mechanics or a quarterback having accuracy issues, all of which can happen with or without pressure. I mean, even when I play catch with friends or my kids, some days I have a great feel for the football and throw accurately with a spiral every time. Other days, I just don't have it and everything is a little bit off. I'm not competing out there and feel absolutely no pressure whatsoever either way, it's just that the muscle memory is rather fallible. For top athletes, while the average performance level is on a different level, I'm sure they go through stretches where everything isn't coming together and their margin of error is very small. That doesn't necessarily have to do with dealing with high-leverage situations, it's just that no one would care if she was having these issues in a non-Olympic year and in most other sports, you can work around having some of your skills not being quite as sharp as they normally are.

This whole stress and pressure angle seems to be mostly an explanation for what may have caused the problem and a way to get people who have never done aerial stunts to understand it, since it should be easy to empathize with the enormous amount of pressure she's facing as the anointed one but this is causing a lot of people to trivialize the issue. Getting over the stress and the anxiety and just forcing yourself to perform aren't going to magically allow you recapture the muscle memory and the sense of awareness you need to safely perform your routine.
I'm selling. It's not about gymnastics, it's about the mind. It's happening in several sports and is kind of a copy cat phenomenon or open the floodgates thing more than anything else. Biles is performing on such a spectacular razor's edge that the yips in the mind can be devastating. I mean what she is doing is a little harder than a golf swing.
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08-01-2021 , 08:59 PM
A tale in three parts
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With the topic of athletes’ mental health and pressure being discussed at the Olympics, Novak Djokovic said “pressure is a privilege.”

“Without pressure there is no professional sport,” Djokovic added. “If you are aiming to be at the top of the game you better start learning how to deal with pressure and how to cope with those moments — on the court but also off the court."

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Novak Djokovic will end the Tokyo 2020 Olympics without a medal, after pulling out of Serbia's mixed doubles bronze match following his singles defeat to Pablo Carreno Busta.
According to the International Tennis Federation, the world number one withdrew because of a "left shoulder injury", meaning Nina Stojanovic will be deprived of a chance to win a medal, with bronze going to Australian pair Ashleigh Barty and John Peers courtesy of a walkover.
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08-01-2021 , 11:59 PM
Ben Hogan famously quit in the middle of a round when he retired. May well have been pain (arthritis decades after the crash?) as the cause but he was way over par, and whatever the reason it became apparent he just couldn't play anymore. Done is done sometimes. I wouldn't bet that Biles is thru though.
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