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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
The steal on Malone was nice, but it was a game 6 and there are levels to these things: LeBron crashing down the full length of the court to perfectly time The Block is what it is.
If Lebron had game-winners on the Finals level, those winners would push down the defensive plays just like Jordan's goat steal was pushed down.
So again, Jordan had far better plays by having goat plays on both ends of the floor
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
Unfortunately we have to deal in the reality of what happened. And what happened is Mike went to Washington, was the GM for two seasons and then added himself on a minimum with a coach of his choosing. And he couldn't get it done. It's a shame he didn't play on in 99, but he didn't. LeBron did go three different places and title each time, these are the facts.
The facts are that 1/4 with AD is a joke and nowhere near GOAT caliber
The facts are that 1/4 with Love is a joke and nowhere near GOAT caliber
The facts are that 2/4 with Wade is the biggest joke of all and nowhere near GOAT caliber
Otoh, Jordan was unbeatable the instant he got 1 all-star, which is why he's goat
And no one cares what MJ did at 40 without AD or every GM in the league stacking his team.. there's NO WAY that Jordan would be the 9 seed with this stacked Lakers team
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
LeBron and Miami went to 4 straight Finals
You're saying that Lebron teamed up with the next-best player in the league and made 4 straight Finals?
You think that's goat-caliber?
It would only be goat-caliber if he won all 4, but instead he was 2/4 including goat choke and record loss..
That's the worst anyone could do
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
- The Spurs played beautiful basketball in 2014, and Wade and Bosh were coming to the end;
Jordan won with old Pippen shooting worse than anyone ever has (literally), so why can't Lebron win with old Wade and prime Bosh?
So that's no excuse at all - your inability to provide a real reason for the record defeat confirms that Lebron is simply inferior - that's why he failed to 3-peat and MJ succeeded..
Lebron wasn't good enough to fit with Bosh and get the most out of him, while also being unable to average 41 like M - Lebron failed to 3-peat and lost by 13 ppg because he averaged 13 less than MJ's 3-peat in 93' (28 to 41 ppg).
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
"Extremely beatable", lol.
Definition of "extremely beatable regardless of cast":
2007- swept & locked up
2008- locked up
2009 - upset loss to 1-star team
2010 - upset loss meltdown
2011 - upset loss meltdown
2014 - record loss
2017 - record loss
2018 - record loss (swept)
2019 - lottery in prime
2021 - 1st Round loss
2022 - missed play-in with 2 top 75 teammate (goat underachievement)
2023 - swept again
^^^ extremely beatable regardless of cast
Worst championship record regardless of cast
Perennial underdog on Finals level regardless of cast
Never a stretch of mostly winning titles - mostly loses regardless of cast
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
LeBron playing out of his mind against literally the greatest team ever assembled is pretty relevant.
Many guys played better against goat teams...
Jordan averaged 44/6/6 vs goat team in 86'
He lost by similar amount as the 17 Cavs despite carrying the worst playoff cast ever, while Lebron had 2 all-star teammates and defending champion cast
Again, luka-balling your way to record loss isn't impressive
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
Again, you clearly can't comprehend or don't understand for some reason how good that Warriors team was.
If KD made the Warriors that good then that's why he adds more title equity than Bron and is therefore superior - KD can have unbeatable teams that cannot lose Finals, while Lebron has the worst losing Finals records regardless of cast...
If one guy yields perennial Finals loser and the other yields perennial winners on the championship level, then it's clear who provides more title equity in the long run... You can add KD to a team and be unbeatable (run off a bunch of titles), but you can't with Bron and Bron-ball.
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The 2017 Warriors
It wasn't just the KD Warriors - Lebron has lottery records against the Spurs, Nuggets, Magic or Mavs - they all destroyed Lebron in his prime..
And cut the crap about the 14' Spurs - they only won 58 games and the odds were even heading into the series, yet record loss occurred... Lebron and Wade were mad at Duncan for predicting victory.
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
Jordan could have averaged triple doubles, he could have played numerous positions, he could have won elsewhere in 99, he could have broken Kareem's scoring record...except he didn't do any of those things. It's not MJ's fault he didn't do things, he didn't have to. But that's the nature of human progress, someone will always come along and do it better.
Weak fits with many players confurns that Lebron never played 5 positions.. He's only played a point guard role for his entire career and could never score 36k points as the roll man like Karl Malone for example.. Lebron can only play a point guard role and it's hindered chemistry and strategic capacity/coaching, so he can't win as much.
And Lebron never dominated like Jordan based on production rate or winning.. He never won dpoy or was scoring champ and 1st team defense.. Lebron never had this caliber of 2-way dominance..
And Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load like MJ meant that he needed more star help - needing more help makes him inferior, especially when he mostly loses with every cast.
So you're completely delusional I'm thinking Lebron has done it better by dominating less, stat-padding via luka-balling but still having lower production rates than MJ, and of course needing more help but still losing much more and more than anyone ever has.. it's looney tunes
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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd
better cumulative career than LeBron.
No one has more bad losses than Lebron such as sweep losses, upset losses, record losses, getting locked up in loss, or worst-ever championship record.. or losing with preseason favorites, or with multiple all-star teammates, or with 1 or 2 seeds..
So Lebron is the biggest loser in history - he had a bad career but it's misreported on as good... he barely won a few titles by stacking the deck and still managed to be the biggest loser ever, aka more bad losses than anyone ever... Mostly losing regardless of cast