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Originally Posted by SABR42
LMAO DPOY. Tim Duncan has never won DPOY. You gonna claim that Jordan is a better defender than Tim Duncan too?
I mean, maybe? In addition to the DPOY award Jordan has, he was all defensive first team 9 times in 15 seasons to Duncan's 8 in 19 seasons. You've gotta be WAY underrating Jordan's defense if you think that's a ridiculous claim to make.
Bigs are generally more valuable than wings on defense, but steals are crazy valuable and Jordan is 3rd in career steals. He averaged as high as 3.2 steals/game in a season which is insane.
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Look, if Pippen is so mediocre, why is it that Jordan won ZERO playoff series without Pippen?
I mean, I don't think Pippen was mediocre. Overall he was great, but he wasn't great at all at the beginning of his career. It really took him 4 seasons to develop.
Jordan probably won zero playoff series without Pippen because his team was terrible and he was playing good/excellent teams first round.
. LeBron did miss the playoffs entirely several times in his career you know, so not sure what your point is.
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The inverse is not true btw, Pippen as the best player on the Bulls took them to the second round in 1994 where they lost to the Knicks in 7.
That team was really really good and well balanced. They had Pippen, Grant, BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Kukoc, etc. Plus coming off a 3 peat they were a well oiled machine.
Jordan's early team's second best player was Orlando Woolridge and then..... Dave Corzine? I don't even know looking at that roster. And they didn't have Phil Jackson, not coming off multiple titles, so they obviously didn't play as well together.
So again, not sure what comparison you're trying to make here.
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Sounds to me like Jordan's supporting cast was actually really good, even if Jordan did most of the scoring when he played.
Yeah they were really good. Enough to win 6 titles. Pretty comparable (but probably not quite as good) to Wade/Bosh. Pretty similar to Kyrie/Love. Weird that LeBron only got 3 titles out of those teams. Chalk it up to variance I guess.
Last edited by Matt R.; 04-01-2020 at 12:22 PM.