Lol so shook

Dude Lebronze showed his true colors and lost yet again. Just save your last shred of dignity and quit while you're behind, before we put you in a soft cast too.

AJ using burner accounts now like KD. Sad!

Only thing that would have made it better, is if he rolled out in a wheelchair -- Paul Peirce style.

HOLD ME SCAL I FEEL COLD

TELL MY UGLY WIFE I LOVE HER

Has LeBron ever had a teammate broker a summit between a dictator and the POTUS? I know Jordan has. Gonna chalk that one up as another piece of evidence Jordan had better teammates.

Ya but maybe Jordan molded them into world leaders.

Also, gm LeBron should have chosen better teammates.

I don't know that the argument is that the ECF was significantly better during Jordan's title runs. It's that the ECF was significantly better during all of Jordan's playoff appearances. Primarily because of those Pistons and Celtics teams. i.e. if Jordan had "weak" ECF teams in the playoffs early in his career (when he was statistically peaking), he would have better playoff stats and perhaps more finals appearances.

And the fact that the '18 Raptors team is the best ECF team LeBron has faced by SRS is pretty hilarious.

Weird how leplorables only want to be results oriented in 2016

LeBron loses - Teammates are super important to win, LeBron's teammates suck, LeBron can't do everything by himself.

LeBron wins - Teammates are irrelevant to win, LeBron carried his team, LeBron did everything himself, LeBron 8 straight finals appearances all because of him.

this is your sides' argument to a T. jfc you guys are dumb. MJ lead some of the best teams all time--yet his teammates all suck ass. Lebron lead very good teams--I only think this year his teammates have sucked since the the Heat/Cavs teams he's joined. it's almost as if you don't read your own sides arguments. Rodman is some how trash. Pippen was lucky to play with MJ. Like I don't believe either of those arguments.

Lebron had some really great teams. Who hasn't said this? Have they been the best teams or has he had the best teammates all time? Nope. They've been flawed through injury or team construction or coaching. In the pantheon of all great squads, I don't think the Cavs or Heat are on top of them by any means but they're all quite good. Wade and Bosh were both sick teammates and great 2nd and 3rd options. So were Pippen and Rodman/Grant, all sick teammates. Kyrie was great and Love was great at times--and Kyrie was especially good in the 2016 finals with that being said based on the current league construction such as the Warriors your big 3 and the rest of your team needs to be outstanding to beat teams as good as the Warriors or even the Spurs. I think both sides have been arguing that guys on the Cavs are good but they definitely have been outclassed at times by the Warriors.

You win in the NBA because typically you have the best team. Sometimes you do with the GOAT depending on who's yours is--the 6 final teams for the Bulls, or sometimes you don't--i.e. the great Jordan of the 80s that had no rings. Similarly, sometimes the Cavs/Heat had the best team and sometimes they didn't. Lebron has been consistently good not only in the regular season but the playoffs since the 2012 season yet he's only won a few times--why is that? I would say sometimes it's been injuries to his teammates. Other times its been because other teams are better.

Again the issue is sometimes it has nothing to do with the GOAT--their respective teams weren't good enough at times and sometimes it has a lot to do with them but also their teammates. The Bulls kept winning despite MJ fading (meaning he wasn't nearly as GOATly but still quite good) near the tail end of the 2nd 3 peat. Do you think if Lebron fades on the Cavs team they have a better shot at winning? Hell no, they have to face the ****ing Warriors with KD.

lol no that's u. Do you actually need me to find one of the 4 billion posts (that's an exaggeration no need to freak) that say LeBron wins series and it's all him but when he loses it's because his teammates sucked? That's literally like half the posts from your side.

Rodman and Pippen were both good obv. Pippen was indeed lucky to play with Jordan and that's partly why he turned into the player he became.

Wade and Bosh were both in their 20's when the joined superbronsquad. Both players tanked statistically. Hmm I wonder if that's due to LeBron's play style. Can't say that about Jordan. Pippen became Pippen under Jordan.

Superbronsquad underperformed relative to talent. But LeBron got his $TAT$. Yet somehow only two rings. Every good player who plays with Bron goes down statistically. Hmm I wonder if his play leads to good stats for himself but those stats don't correlate with wins as well (unlike Jordan with 6 rings). Let's see 3 rings in 15 years. Loss to Mavs. Yeah that sounds about right.

Well definitely quite a few Slappies. One directly stated LeBron has played with trash his whole career. Several others say or imply Wade and Bosh were not good anymore on the handpicked super team. Like lol for days.

Yeah both Jordan and LeBron played with good talent and were on good teams. Fortunately for the Jordan side, MJ was able to translate playing with good talent on good teams to 6 rings. LeBron less than that.

Yep.

Yep. He went up against some all-time Celtics and Pistons teams. Cavs and Hawks had good teams too.

And other times it's been because LeBron has under performed. Maybe because his play style puts up good $TAT$ but doesn't always correlate to expected wins. This may be why Jordan has 6 rings, and LeBron has 3. It also may be why Jordan is running 2 rings above expectation but LeBron slightly below.

And sometimes it does have to with with the GOAT. Sometimes the GOAT can't bring it home in the big moments. Sometimes he may put up big numbers but at the sacrifice of overall team success, leading to fewer rings than expected. Sometimes there are players that put up similar or slightly better stats, and their team OVERperforms expectations (there was a guy who played for the Bulls in the 80's and 90's who did this).

This is why team success matters because statistics cannot perfectly represent contributions to wins and championships.

Do you think Curry and KD are holding each other back statistically? Both of their stats have dropped a decent amount especially in the regular season since KD joined the Warriors? It's weird that when super players come together, their stats magically fall. Maybe it's because their usage falls....Lebron's stats are the highest when he hasn't had another superstar next to him.

Not sure but as the team gets better with better support , the best players should have to contribute less since his teammates can take over .


Exception would be when you have a team strong defensively where the contribution of your best player for scoring should be kept high for any chance to win .
Bulls 1996-98 and lebron 2007 seem good examples but lebron in 2007 couldnt score enough like the past years for w.e reason.

Not a knock on lebron and maybe it was impossible to win regardless but his teammates didn’t score much and he didn’t like this years or last years and other years as well .

Nothing but pity and prayers. All the best, my friend.

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2016 tho.

I do think it is quite sad that so many ppl are blinded by hatred that they are unable to appreciate not only the greatest physical athlete of all time, but also the most clutch performer in history. so many iconic games.

??

We do appreciate Michael Jordan.

Yea I have a huge amount of appreciation for Jordan. I hated it at the time but feel grateful for having witnessed the literal best and most clutch player of all time

3 out of 14

Ya, whether you were with Jordan or against him there was no denying you were witnessing something special. His demeanor and history in the game was something so attractable to young fans too. Just think, he was known at the time for being cut from his highschool basketball team yet through perseverance and hard work he went on to greatness. Iconic shot hit in the NCAA finals onto Nike's golden boy at a time when the athletic shoe market only started it's boom.

He was easy to admire.

Lebron is an amazing talent but there is just something that makes him not measure up to Jordan and it's not the championship record. It's more in the way he handles himself off the court. The punching of the whiteboard in this year's Finals is inexcusable and as others have pointed out it cost the Cavs much more in equity than the JR mental mistake. Follow that up by him wearing the cast to the post game podium after being swept in embarrassing fashion and commenting, "How do you guys like my cast?" or something like that just seems that more despicable. He just handles himself in the sort of way of a person that wants the attention on him. He acts as if that is not the case in his words but anyone that looks beyond his words can feel his true intentions. I never got the impression that Jordan sought out the attention. Jordan just came to work and did his business. That's a more admirable quality and one we often see in the top athletes in their craft.

This is all nostalgia. He wasn’t cut from his HS team, he got dropped for 1 game because he didn’t share the ball.

Also, as I pointed out, he hasn't been the best player in the league since 2013. He's not that special.

We are all WITNESS...

...to him failing 78.57% of the time

This is just ludicrous.

Its really not

Which year was he the best player in the league?