Pretty sure I've read tons of excuses about the early Bulls teams and other early career struggles of MJ especially in the playoffs--because the only thing to many of you is WINS and LOSSES. But I guess I should just ignore them.

This forum taught me George Hill was the GOAT though. If these same guys were playing with LeBron they'd be zilches. They're no one anyone would have wanted before the season and no one who will do as well elsewhere, aside from Tatum who is a rookie

Well if you want to go there, BRAD >>>>>>>>> (infinite >>>) Lue which is what this really may come down to.

I'm not sure if Brown is going to be great but he was a former top 3 pick.

I'm shocked at how good Rozier is looking but he's been playing well all playoffs. Horford has had a great playoffs. MM and MS are pretty much trash but one defends well. A Baynes has been good in the playoffs especially against Philly.

And you keep telling us , titles means $h!t ...
Man do you hear yourself ?

HO yes , this Celtics this year are as strong has the Celtics and pistons of the 80 with 5 and 4 HoF in their line up!
Lebron is overmatch here .
JFC....
Like the goat shouldn’t be able to beat a team that COULD ( I don’t think they are ) slightly be better than the cavs...

Please don’t say this team is equivalent of what Jordan face and without Pippen on top of that !

Jordan never had a teammates with 25 ppg , Lebron had already 2 !

That's because Jordan took all the shots.

I'm not sure how my posts had you jump to your response Montreal, but JFC.

When did I even mention the 80s Celtics. My point is the only thing that matters is wins and losses when we talk about Lebron and the finals but I can ignore that fact when it comes to MJ and his losses early on in his career. Both MJ and Lebron have played extremely well when their team has lost in series to good/great teams. Sometimes great players by themselves or with little help are not enough.

Lebron never had all defensive teammates in their prime. The Bulls were better defensively as a team than any of the Cavs teams or Heat teams. So even though Jordan might not have had studly offensive 2nd and 3rd options he had the best defensive player in the league as his wing and other very good defensive players throughout their title runs.

Like do you re-read any of your posts? How about read them to anyone you know that actually speaks/writes in English? It might help.

Because you consider that lebron played vs team has good has the Celtics and pistons Goat team with the same support as Jordan had.

Which is totally BS.
Only time lebron lost vs a team has good has those is last year and he had Kyrie and love while MU literally had **** when he face that kind of power.

So don’t compare his lost with lebron lost .
MJ lost in earlier rounds face better team the mavs and the spurs with far less support .

MJ would of never lost in the final where lebron lost except for last year, maybe .

No because as the goat, MJ didn’t need 1 !
But Lebron need it to make the work for him AKA Kirye

Literally STOP POSTING. THIS IS GIBBERISH. IT IS NOT ENGLISH.

MJ lead really bad teams to the playoffs and lost to good teams. I'm sorry if I'm not going to give a lot of credit when MJ's 38, 30 and 40 win teams got smoked. Even so, he played well in those series but got swept. Again the point is MJ played well, maybe extremely well and it wasn't enough. MJ played worse in other series, namely the 1998 finals and yet his team won. Lebron can not afford to ever have a bad series or a bad game, we've seen a number of games that the Bulls won where MJ struggled especially at the end of the second 3 peat.

So now the Milwaukee Bucks in the 1985 playoffs are equivalent of what now, the Warriors of last year?

You really think MJ would have beaten the Spurs in 2007?

I'll compare whatever I want to whatever I want. At least my arguments are somewhat logical. You love to cherry pick, I don't.

Capone, you’re smarter than this.

nope. thats you putting words in my mouth. you do that quite a bit.

titles mean a lot. esp when they are over all time great teams like warriors are spurs. thats why lebron goat. while lebron was taking down 73 win teams, jordan couldnt beat a pistons team that was about on par with todays blazers.

ppl like montreal are the reason countries societies fall apart. he twists and distorts facts to support his preferred "strong leader".

anyone that is capable of actual analysis understands that jordan faced much easier competition and had a much better supporting cast relative to his diluted league.

they also understand that the rules greatly benefited strong 1v1 players.

the spurs and warriors that lebron faced and beat were simply exponentially better than any team jordan faced. but he wants to believe jordan is a god capable of amazing feats and never able to lose. the facts dont support this.

Who was the smarter on court player? I have a gut feeling it's Lebron, but MJ compensates for this with insane WIM that Lebron can never touch.

The "Jordan couldn't beat the Pistons!" narrative isn't a very good one, mainly because of where Pippen was at as a player. In 1989 Pippen was 23, averged 9.7ppg in the EC finals, and Craig Hodges was the Bulls 2nd leading scorer against the Pistons. In 1990 Pippen had gotten better, but he was still young and 1991 is when he made a significant jump and became the player that people remember him as.

Jordan pre-championships reminds me of Lebron pre-Heat. Putting in work and dominating the league, but didn't have enough help to win 'ships yet.

LOL.

Vegas oddsmakers, experts at their craft make the Cavs massive favorites.

Response by Lebron nut hugging trolls clueless about basketball: "Hey man I don't care if Boston is missing their two best players and are huge dogs at every sportsbook on the planet, they should be favored over our hero Leflop even though he's the GOAT.

You just really do not see that why Jordan was not beating a team like the warriors of 2016 ( like Lebron did) is because Jordan was the warriors of his time !
Has being the goat , nothing else than normal that Jordan was part of an amazing team (mostly because of him), its normal he had no competition like the warriors have presently!

Yes Jordan was too good to have a team that could really make a competition with him.

Like exactly what he faced earlier in this younger year vs the celtics and the pistons, which 3 times they won the NBA title btw...
Jordan was beat by super team compose of at least 4 HoF (celtics and pistons) in his 1980 years but in 1990 Jordan had bit help and once he did, he never lost and was the super team in the 1990 has pippen got better and better ( because Jordan did not leave so i guess pippen praticing with the goat all these years probably got a lot better than if Jordan would of left right ?) ....

Lebron went to get help and he still lost couple of times!
Not JORDAN.

Super team, yeah Jordan lost like Lebron vs them but at least Lebron had a fighting chance with a support cast he had compare to Jordan in the 80's...

But Super team dont always exist and it stop in 1990 and Jordan never stop winning.

While in Lebron case, you telling me mavs or spurs lost in 2013 were vs superteam like the warriors in last year or the celtics and pistons in the 1980 for Jordan?

See? Jordan did not fail when he did not face a super team, he beat them all with minimum help like in 1991!
But Lebron, not....
Get real....

Moses Malone was still top ten in scoring during Jordan's first year. But Jordan got to the hoop against old school trees guys like him and Ewing and Tree Rollins. Lebron would have too. He's bigger and stronger than Jordan.

lol jordan had pippen which you conveniently forget. he retired and the bulls won 55 games without him.

"lebron went to get help"

yea bc after 8 years of playing with trash he got sick of it.he left and the bums he left behind went out and won less than 20 games without him. you don't have to get help when you have pippen in his prime.


jordan doesn't win last year, he doesn't win the first time the cavs lost to gs and he might not have won the year the cavs did beat gs . he also doesn't win when lebron dragged d league trash to the finals.he beats the mavs though. that's the real knock on lebron, not all the petty bs people like to bring up.

the warriors won 72 games then went out and added the 2nd best player in the league.lebron has faced teams a lot worse than jordan faced in the east, but jordan also never played any team close to as good as the warriors.

I'm not even saying Lebron is better than Jordan but you're spewing pure nonsense.

and the cavs were -275 and will still win this series. i'm not sure what your point is with regards to this series.lebron has been playing out of his mind these playoffs and finally had one bad game.

only one of these two guys has actually quit on his team. while under contract and a few weeks before the season was to start.

Those Celtics and Pistons teams that eliminated the bulls in Jordan's early years were very good teams. John Salley has more rings than Lebron.

No team ever has played a team as good as this Warriors team.

There are teams as good as the 15 or 16 Warriors though.

Will the LaStans at least admit that if the Cavs lose to the Cs this year, Lebron will be completely eliminated from top 5 oat consideration, let alone the GOAT discussion?

Lol top 5. Jesus Christ. Literally if LeBron isn’t in your top 3 already, your opinion isn’t valid.