One thing that I don't see people talking about: LaNot5Not6's attempts to make a superteam to ringchase would have failed in the 90s, since the elite players back then weren't pathetic betas like Love and Bosh. The best players he could have hoped to play second fiddle to him were in the Tim Hardaway/Detlef Schrempf tier

uhh, the talent being diluted throughout the league would have been good for lebron. wouldnt need to beat super team warriors. plus there was just a ton less talent. I mean, that pistons team was one of the best and they are a joke.

yeah labron def wouldn't have needed to go get scotty pippen and dennis rodman, two guys who could actually play in today's league, just to get past Rik Smits.

Rik Smits ****s all over the Toronto Raptors tho

I rewatched the 4th Q of Indiana/Chicago game 7 on youtube the other day. Chicago just slaughters them on the offensive boards, if you're gonna have Smits in the game over Antonio Davis then atleast run offense through him. Especially with MJ draped on Reggie.

22 offensive rebounds for the Bulls in that game.

Cool.

Do you want me to do one where I show Rodman's stats of averaging 5/20/3 or something over a thirty game sample and then say LeBron, Jordan and Kobe had a total of 5 of those games total*

Makes you wonder...

* I didn't go and count any of this, jut pointing out how stupid what you are saying is.

Jordan vs the top rated defense of his time.



Yeah Lebron would certainly struggle with the specimens of the 80s and 90s.

LeBron's recent playoff stats is an example of why it is so hard to compare eras. NBA scoring has gone up drastically the last 3-4 years and LeBron has been able to ride that wave. If a player was putting up those #'s pre-2013 nobody would be debating who the GOAT is but there is a reason that LeBron (nor anyone else) really was.

Guys "Grow with the game" more than people recognize.

Jordan's D kinda sucked in the 80s too but nobody played great D then. Then in the 90's when it became more of a defensive league, he was an absolute stud on that end and the best defensive SG ever.

Jordan would have never needed a buzzer beater vs such trash teams

Yeah it can be a little lol when there are cherry picked parameters for stats in this era of click bait and info overload for graphics. I don't think this is the type to clown as being stupid though.

Yeah kinda more lol when you try and equivocate 5/20/3 to 35/9/9 or whatever Lebron has done.

Jordan and Lebron are the top 2 players of all time, with both having legitimate arguments as the GOAT.

Team Jordan suffers from nostalgia bias, Team Lebron suffers from recency bias. Same as it ever was.

Eh i barely was old enough to even remember Jordan. Hes just factually and objectively greater than LeBron.

at the risk of restarting the racism debate, I really dont think woodys lebron hatred is tinged with racism in any way. its just delusion.

but jwd is correct that white ppl effin love jordan and also tend to rip lebron. it was esp apparent when he took his talents to south beach. my informal survey showed that approx 90% of black ppl in ohio still liked lebron and said go ahead and play where you want whereas about 1% of ohio white ppl felt the same way. there still a decent amount of resentment here as well.

White ppl love Tiger Woods more than anything on earth and im no Tiger fan. Its a dumb argument.

People like Jordan because he won. People hate on LeBron because he has lost and failed an overwhelming amount in his career while morons call him GOAT.

I think there is a pretty strong correlation in thinking Jordan was better and just thinking everything was better 20-30 years ago as well.

Everything seems better when you could **** better.

Think you guys are way overthinking it. A lot of people just dont think LeBron is the GOAT. And hes not. You dont have to write a ****ing sociology paper on it.

Recency bias is almost always correct in sports. It pains me to say this because I hate the guy, but Michael Bradley is a better fitba player than Pelé.

Pelé played the ba vs field hands and milkmen.

So if people didn't question if he was the GOAT or not then he would have universal adulation of the public? lol cmon

I think it's a pretty lame argument in a lot of ways since comparing eras is kinda pointless, but it is fascinating the cognitive bias that people have on the subject. It really is.

First of all tons of people love him. Its not like hes universally hated like he was after the decision. And the reason people like him is bc he won them over when he beat GS. People like winners. His problem is hes lost like 5x more times than hes won.

I wonder how many hours you have studied this considering you didn’t watch him live. I’m guessing you poured tons of hours into unbiased research and your opinion wasn’t exclusively shaped by the media and your casual fan peers.

I don't mean in that sense. I understand players getting better/stronger/faster over time, and it's why I think comparing say, Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds, is pointless.

I mean recency bias in that a lot of Lebron fans see what he's doing now and underrate what Jordan did in the past, because they're not actually seeing Jordan go out and completely dominate the rest of the league in real time. They don't get to go and watch last nights game winnner on twitter/youtube/espn from 10 different angles. It's easier to discount what he did because he's never doing anything new. Just cherry pick his flaws (he went 5-19 in game 6 of the finals once guyz!) and declare victory every time Lebron does something new and exciting.

In contrast, a lot of Jordan fans underrate what Lebron is doing because something something the league was tougher back then/players are soft now (lol), Jordan didn't lose in the finals, and basketball was so much better back when they were younger and cared about it (read: actually watched it) more. Cue 80s-90s music and a shot of nostalgia right to the heart.

Bill Russell because rangs

It'd be easier to take the Jordan crowd seriously if most of them didn't think LeBron would go about 17ppg in the 90's

or if they just had a clue and realized lebron goat