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Originally Posted by Victor
and combine jordan with those guys and they absolutely do not become a dynasty
jordan 3-peats with heat from 2011-2013.. thats a dynasty.. so that shuts you down right there..
keep in mind that lebron needed a 7th game and ray's miracle in 2013 because he got 17, 18, and 17 in games 1-3.. jordan would've plyed much better early and not need a 7th game
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Originally Posted by Victor
wade falls after 3 seasons
in 2014, the spurs didn't have more talent, so their record margin of victory reflects the gap in teamwork between the 2 teams..
indeed, lebron's stats were achieved while his team had the biggest teamwork deficit ever in a finals.. therefore, his stats can be criticized as "empty", and his style of play as self-serving..
otoh, jordan's heat would have better teamwork and defense, so a victory was possible - jordan won 2 rings with his 2nd option getting 15 ppg on 34% and 41% (96 and 98 finals), because of great teamwork and defense
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Originally Posted by Victor
similarly, transport lebron and his teams to the 90s and they win just as much as jordan
lebron can't have dynasties because his style prevents dynasty teamwork..
specifically, every key teammate saw their assists go down
alongside lebron, so the
team ranks low in assists and teamwork, and needs super-team
talent to win
indeed, lebron must team-hop for super team
talent, because his teams aren't capable of developing great
teamwork.
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Originally Posted by Victor
you are blaming lebron for running into the best team of all time. and yet, he actually did beat them once. its absurd.
he beat them and that's great.. but the talent levels were comparable
and Jordan's 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals > Lebron's 30/11/9 in 16' finals:
Lebron needed a 7th game because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and then 36 ppg and 3 turnovers in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg and 3 turnovers for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was more dominant.
furthermore, Jordan scored 16 ppg more than Pippen, compared to 2 ppg for lebron, so jordan faced greater defensive attention.. he also made all the game-winning plays, whereas Kyrie made several for lebron
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Last edited by 609; 07-23-2017 at 10:07 AM.