o I'm an idiot, I conflated them

I compared Joe Alexander to him predraft is what it was and they've combined into one ****ty draft pick in my memory

I doublechecked to make sure that he was drafted druing Bron's excellence but I didn't even notice that it was Mil because duh I knew he was a Cav pick, thank you

For a long peak, I think MJ and LeBron are probably 1-2 in that order, but suppose you want one player for the playoffs for three straight years. I think Shaq is in contention with those two guys and probably beats LeBron. Shaq's numbers in the 3-peat run are amazing.

Easier to ride the coattails of Adam Silver

you disappeared for a while, we were all worried you jumped off a bridge

shaq's numbers are not as amazing as people make it out to be. him crushing the finals overinflates the number quite a bit. The east teams in the finals were very very bad. he is 3rd but a distant third.

Aj took a trip to slanksville

another thing i don't understand about MJ's legacy is why is him taking 2 years of during his prime not a big tarnish to his legacy? seems like kind of a big deal.

They had HCA in '91.

'93 ECF they did not win easily, were down 0-2. That's the Charles Smith Knicks you're talking about.

This kinda goes to how well MJ marketed himself and how poorly LBJ has. It objectively should not be a big deal, but LBJ would get killed by the media/fans if he did it. For MJ it improves his legacy if anything since you get that perfect 3 and 3.

a dad being murdered prbly helped with the bashing that either party would endure

Having just read most of the thread (I'm at the beginning of 2016 finals) I really gotta say, both sides are doing the exact same thing. I quoted and bookmarked a bunch of posts but I'll probably opt out of multiquotebombing. I don't want to make a fallacious appeal to moderation so I'll admit, the Lebronites have an slight edge over the Jordanites in making sensible arguments (plus it's hard to tell who is knowingly exaggerating or joking) but for the most part it's all the same subjective, inconsistent and uninformed nonsense.

Again, i'll make a list if necessary, but,


3 things:

1. Saying MJ had multiple HOFers and LBJ had scrubs and bums and terrible players IS trying to knock down MJ's "achievements out of trying to prop" LBJ up. It's exactly that, however,

2. That's perfectly fine. We're talking about the "greatest" of "all time" so, like, the entire point IS extreme criticism that borders on nit-picky and irrelevant. Otherwise why are we here? Even so,

3. I get where you're coming from and here's why: the annoyance/aggravation/etc you feel in defending LBJ is what I feel about every other player to play in the league (not just my man-crush Kyrie) and especially those in the position of suiting up as an LBJ teammate. With the level of accessible talent in the modern era, every player that even signs a 10-day and puts in a few workhorse minutes is such an amazingly good basketball player it's hard to even describe, not to mention guys with an average and non-standout career. Yes, even the current 76ers. One of the cornerstones of your LBJ argument is to call these people scrubs as if they don't and haven't consistently proven why they deserve to be the fraction of a fraction of a % of basketball players in history to suit up for an NBA game. It's just madness IMO.

p.s. But yeah, the MJ teams were ridic stacked. 4 HOFers if we consider Kerr and Kukoc getting nods for their unique contributions. I'm surprised it took so long for this to become common knowledge. We were talking about this 20 years ago in the middle of the "MJ=God among men" fervor. 20 years from now it will be the same thing with Kyrie et al when it's realized (potential hot take incoming) he's the.best teammate LBJ or MJ had. The only time in finals history and 5th in playoff history when 2 players scored 40+ is a start.

Didn't Jordan play with Scottie pippen. Wade in 11 and 12 also better than Kyrie at 24. And wtf are you going on about Kerr and kukoc being hofers. I mean I get what you're saying, I guess, I just don't see the relevance. Also the 09 cavs and lebrons teams in general having weak rosters is obviously relevant, seeing as it's a team game and all

i think there's a legit argument to be made that labron is a pedo - why else would be expose himself to the nation's innocent children on national tv last yr in the finals? this incident was never given the scrutiny it deserved iyam

Everyone wants to believe he witnessed greatness and saw the greatest of all time live in person. Are there any people older than 35 who think Lebron is the GOAT? Any younger than 25 who think Jordan was? Grandpa still thinks Russell was the GOAT and uncle Mike won't stop talking about Moses Malone and Dr. J.

I'm sorry, did I just read that Steve Kerr and Kokoc were Hall of Famers?

Yep in 20 years there will be young people posting "LOL thinking Lebron, Durant and Duncan could compete with today's players."

They'll very likely be right

It sucks to lose to a disgrace like lebron and a vastly inferior team/organization at the commissioner's discretion. Do you know what that's like? The obvious fix and officiating--parlayed with the injuries and STEPH/Kerr/klay/role players giving subpar performances was certainly tough to watch. Everyone was basically at the bottom of their range. However, at the end of the day it took all those things, a lot of good luck, and for kyrie to "Ray Allen" lebron for the cavs to undeservingly borrow the crown for a year.

It only took 24 hours for lebron to go third person, passive aggressive little bitch on Instagram #noneofmybusiness tho. Then the piece of **** shows his true colors in a profanity laced speech at the parade. I just don't get that behavior from a guy who has a wife and kids.



Jordan4lyfe

It's a shame they left Bill Cartwright out.

rather than whining and taking shats, you should be thanking the gods that the cavs had injury trouble last year so warriors could luckbox into their only title.

I love that the Cavs won and LeBron was AMAZING, but we have to admit the Cavs were a little lucky with how Steph/Klay played. If they play a little better, the Warriors win. Maybe Steph couldn't handle the pressure, but it does seem that the Warriors played at the bottom of their range.

Either that or Cavs figured out how to defend Steph/Klay

I think the Cavs figured out how to defend them, but with their talent you would have expected to not drop off as much even against good defense.

In a vacuum you're right, but you're not factoring in Steph's fragile ego and Charmin-soft psyche. Once you factor that in it becomes obvious that he'll falter somewhat. He's cemented himself as a giant baby and front-runner, the good news is he's still relatively young and maybe with the proper guidance he can learn not to be a shook fraud.

Too bad Walton left though. He's stuck with Kerr now, so Woyas fans should probably be worried.

Most of the public, including my laker buddies here in SoCal, now credit Lebron for winning the 2015 finals so he's basically 4-3. Take out 2007 and his record is a nice tidy 4-2.

Actionslankson will tell you different, but the public has spoken.