There's 3 players with very high court passing IQ + high scoring ability:

Bron
Jokic
Luka


Honourable mention to Bird and Oscar.

Unless they are elite passers like Luka / Jokic, I don't think anyone can over take Bron as the GOAT.

Wemby could be paired up with Cooper Flagg somehow.. maybe via ATL pick in 2025, and then they win 5 consecutive titles in their prime which would throw Wemby's hat into the GOAT discussion.

2025 first round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2025 1st round pick to San Antonio [Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]


Yep it's unprotected. lol Hawks.. decent chance Trae demands out and the blow the whole thing up.

That title change, GTFO

It's worth noting, that if Durant doesn't create one if the most unbeatable teams ever by joining the Warriors, there's a very good chance LeBron has a 5th or an outside shot of even a 6th championship. LeBron was so good the 2nd and 3rd best players in the league joined forces to create easily the greatest superteam of this century.

Not just the 2nd and 3rd best player overall, but also the best 3 and D in the league, and the best defender in the league.

But LeBron is supposed to beat that team with Kevin Love and JR Smith? LOL.

MJ didn't have high court passing IQ? What?

Here is a thought .
Take that Lebron and teleport him in Miami .
Do you think he gets more ring ?

Maybe. 2nd Cavs run LeBron was his most complete version IMO

Maybe ?
Are we suggesting the cavs was a better team then Miami with a 2017-19 lebron on it ?

That is why I’m not on the bandwagon lebron and consider him the goat ….
He could of and should of and he didn’t make it when he should had !

the amount of mj excuses on why he dominated while lebron excuses to explain his failure is sickening…

lol, as if the answer at that stage won't be Wemby.

AD shot 13/17, yet somehow he's to blame for LeBron not getting enough assists

That’s 1 year .

Both mj and lebron had situations where winning was almost impossible .

If you watched the actual game AD missed two absolute bunnies on LeBron potential assists.

Not on the level of Jokic / Luka / Bron.

Assists per game

Stockton......... 10.5
Lebron.............. 7.4
Jordan............... 5.3


High APG (ball-dominance) is negatively correlated with winning..

Jordan tried the point guard style for the 1st time at 26 years old and was instantly the best PG in the league - piece of cake - however winning basketball required much more including expert jumpshooting skill and great instinct to play off teammates, aka off-ball... This yields the best brand of ball so the team can win via chemistry as opposed to exhorbitant talent/"more help"

We'll see... if Wemby becomes a better AD that's still not enough to hit GOAT levels.

Wrong again.

2023 Joker 10 assists per game -> champion



Another thing LeBron is much better at Jordan than, which is passing.

Now do Magic, Cousy, and Isaiah.

Regular line only.

There are no examples of MJ shooting below today's standard when he had today's volumes, and this includes seasons or series from the regular line..

Regular line is all that matters because we're measuring how MJ would do in today's game, which uses the regular line - the "long two" distance of the shortened line is irrelevant and that's why you don't hear me ever reference Jordan's better volume or efficiency from that distance during the "shortened line" years. I've only ever referenced the his regular line percentages and always state this as well.

Btw, it shouldn't surprise anyone that defense extends to "long two" distance in the playoffs, which would explain Jordan shooting 43% from the shortened line in the regular season but inexplicably bad in the playoffs (worst of career) - ultimately, everyone shoots poorly on long 2's.




True shooting in the Finals


96' BULLS.................. 50.9
96' JORDAN............... 53.8

13' HEAT..................... 54.5
13' LEBRON............... 52.9


The Heat didn't win with Lebron on the floor in the 13' Finals (zero plus/minus and negative net rating for Lebron in the series)

Btw, Pippen had 42.9 TS in the 96' Finals and 46.9 in the 93' Finals (0% on threes)..

With Pippen at 15.7 on 34% for the 96' Finals, this was an example of Jordan beating a top 5 SRS opponent with weak scoring &: efficiency from a sidekick (carry-job vs top; team), which Lebron has never done.. Furthermore, Jordan defeated max defensive attention (carried scoring load on championship level), which Lebron has also never accomplished.
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It's really peak TWOG to constantly try to argue that Jordan turning into peak Westbrook for a few games in 1989 makes him a better passer than LeBron ****ing James.

Of course, this is exactly what you would expect from angry oldheads who don't watch basketball yet continue to have an opinion on it. Watching 1 game of LeBron James would tell an unbiased observer that he makes passes that Jordan simply wasn't capable of.

Fallguy check mated himself here so hard. He so furiously believes that iso scoring is the best way to win (Jordan) that he concocted an argument that high assists was negatively correlated with winning.


Completely ignoring Magic with the highest apg in history winning 5 championships with 3 FMVP.


Jordan worship.

Inevitability.

LeBron's highest assist season, the one where he led the NBA in assists? Finals MVP.

Of course TWOG logic is that Anthony Davis "carried" LeBron because sort by ppg. What a joke.